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4 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

Clearly not

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/cdc-arkansas-church-coronavirus-outbreak-fb265e5a-5db7-4ace-9bc4-098e0d09e7fd.html

This is 2 examples you've been presented with and I'm sure there have been and will be many more. I don't get why you're consistently the ultimate contrarion when it comes to, well, everything. Do you not get attention anywhere else so you come here to disagree and receive it?

No offense, as I did read the article you presented and thank you. Clearly it is a concern because of the examples listed in those stories. Not to be a d--k, but where are the articles about the liquor store patrons who've gotten COVID or passed it on in there? What about Wal Mart and some of the other indoor businesses that have been open. My guess is the casinos that have now opened here would be just as dangerous as churches. 

Is it unsafe to have a 45 minute Mass taking all the precautions we are taking? That question is kind of moot now since we've opened casinos and movie theatres too. You obviously can't single out churches and close them. Up until last Sunday we'd been closed. I hope the opening of church doesn't cause tons of new cases here but like I said for better or worse, everything has opened up and singling out churches would be grossly unfair and illegal right now where we are in the reopening.

I don't see how anybody can say we were selfish at my church. We were closed from March 12 til last Sunday and now are open with a max of 70 spread out all over the church. Liquor stores? Casinos? Movie theatres? Why no anger toward them??

p.s. I'd encourage everybody read this and comment to greg. Worth a peek. .... https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/were-past-the-peak-and-its-fine-to-cheer/

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We  all know Joe is a bit goofy and gaffey but he is a solid favorite in the push-up contest. Right now he is the favorite but I do not anticipate Trump ever conceding defeat. I would go elsewhere if I could to avoid it.

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2 hours ago, greg775 said:

The interviewer in Friday's controversial interview asked him about a black woman being VEEP and Biden said he's considering many black women. I've read other stories where it will be a black woman. I want somebody qualified because that person will be president someday. Let's assume of the list you gave one of them will be president a year or so after the election. Which do you think can handle the job effectively? None except maybe Warren. Certainly not Harris. Can you guys be honest and tell me you are not scared of his choice of Abrams. My gosh, at this moment odds are at least 50-50 of her being president someday. Did you see the TV show in which she and Biden appeared and the host and Abrams thought he was going to ask her to be VEEP candidate? Nobody still can figure out why Biden wanted her on the show with him. She was not asked at the time. He's not going to pick Warren but reluctantly she would be my choice but only after Michelle Obama. Why the hell not?? Convince her to do it. She won't only be VEEP, she'll be president soon enough. She is smart; everybody loves her. Barack can help advise if she seeks his help.

I could just as easily assumed Trump wasn’t going to make it...let’s not forget the Reagan and Wilson presidencies.

Are you sure you’re not projecting or bouncing back Fox News fears?  

Let’s also not forget your past trepidation concerning Chelsea Clinton...why aren’t you similarly afraid of Ivanka, Donald, Jr., Eric, Tiffany and Barron?

 

Let’s not forget Reagan was an actor and George W. Bush a substance abuser with a C+ average in business school, a failed oilman in a state where that’s hard to do with those parents/grandparents and a largely symbolic governor in terms of power in Texas at that time.   Then there were Trump’s multiple bankruptcies and inherited hundreds of millions...so he was qualified because of Celebrity Apprentice, Howard Stern appearances and the birther conspiracy?  Branding success with the Trump name?

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2 hours ago, greg775 said:

 Let's assume of the list you gave one of them will be president a year or so after the election. Which do you think can handle the job effectively? None except maybe Warren. Certainly not Harris.

I keep falling for your shitposting and trolling, but I'll bite:

Exactly what stupid shit did you watch on Fox that convinced you that Harris is not qualified? 

 

Also, what do you consider to be "qualified?"

 

I'm eager to read what you come up with.

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2 hours ago, greg775 said:

No offense, as I did read the article you presented and thank you. Clearly it is a concern because of the examples listed in those stories. Not to be a d--k, but where are the articles about the liquor store patrons who've gotten COVID or passed it on in there? What about Wal Mart and some of the other indoor businesses that have been open. My guess is the casinos that have now opened here would be just as dangerous as churches. 

Is it unsafe to have a 45 minute Mass taking all the precautions we are taking? That question is kind of moot now since we've opened casinos and movie theatres too. You obviously can't single out churches and close them. Up until last Sunday we'd been closed. I hope the opening of church doesn't cause tons of new cases here but like I said for better or worse, everything has opened up and singling out churches would be grossly unfair and illegal right now where we are in the reopening.

I don't see how anybody can say we were selfish at my church. We were closed from March 12 til last Sunday and now are open with a max of 70 spread out all over the church. Liquor stores? Casinos? Movie theatres? Why no anger toward them??

p.s. I'd encourage everybody read this and comment to greg. Worth a peek. .... https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/were-past-the-peak-and-its-fine-to-cheer/

How would closing churches for health reasons be illegal?   

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/opinions/churches-reopening-trump-covid-19-beck/index.html

Catholic Priest: Mr. President, we don't need to open churches to practice our faith


Arguably, it’s easier to pray at home individually, yes?   Nobody can remove that right.  Nobody can stop you from donating electronically.   At the very least, alcohol creates government revenue through high taxation, same with lotteries...at a time when nearly every state and municipalities across the country are staring at drastic budget cuts in essential services, school consolidation, etc,

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28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

I could just as easily assumed Trump wasn’t going to make it...let’s not forget the Reagan and Wilson presidencies.

Are you sure you’re not projecting or bouncing back Fox News fears?  

Let’s also not forget your past trepidation concerning Chelsea Clinton...why aren’t you similarly afraid of Ivanka, Donald, Jr., Eric, Tiffany and Barron?

 

Let’s not forget Reagan was an actor and George W. Bush a substance abuser with a C+ average in business school, a failed oilman in a state where that’s hard to do with those parents/grandparents and a largely symbolic governor in terms of power in Texas at that time.   Then there were Trump’s multiple bankruptcies and inherited hundreds of millions...so he was qualified because of Celebrity Apprentice, Howard Stern appearances and the birther conspiracy?  Branding success with the Trump name?

Re. Chelsea concerns and now Trump kids: I think the Republicans are finished for a while. I think the Trump victory has awakened Democrat nation and they will win. I think Biden is in, he will step down early cause of health and his VEEP will go the next six, seven years. Very very scared of the end of our country as we know it with Abrams president. I don't like the idea of her and am serious about Michelle O. Why not?? Just talk her into it. Everybody has an ego and wants a place in history deep down. She would be popular VEEP choice and Biden would win in a total landslide. Trump's kiddies have no chance. Republicans are finished for a while to come.

 

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10 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Re. Chelsea concerns and now Trump kids: I think the Republicans are finished for a while. I think the Trump victory has awakened Democrat nation and they will win. I think Biden is in, he will step down early cause of health and his VEEP will go the next six, seven years. Very very scared of the end of our country as we know it with Abrams president. I don't like the idea of her and am serious about Michelle O. Why not?? Just talk her into it. Everybody has an ego and wants a place in history deep down. She would be popular VEEP choice and Biden would win in a total landslide. Trump's kiddies have no chance. Republicans are finished for a while to come.

 

Abrams is highly unlikely to be the pick, no matter how much conservative media is HOPING for her to be a potential foil.

After all, she struggled to beat ultimately the worst governor (arguably) and certainly the least well-informed one. While there are plenty of allegations of election tampering there, as well as it being a pretty solid red state, her being the Bernie Sanders #1 pick from the beginning probably disqualifies her.  They’re just not quite on the same page politically, which is why Warren would be a stretch, too.   
 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/americas/brazil-coronavirus-hospitals-intl/index.html

The Brazilian president copying the Trump playbook and putting all the Americas at risk/re-risk should be enough to put a fork in The Donald.  But it is never that easy in politics, and there are still five months left.

 

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27 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

I keep falling for your shitposting and trolling, but I'll bite:

Exactly what stupid shit did you watch on Fox that convinced you that Harris is not qualified? 

 

Also, what do you consider to be "qualified?"

 

I'm eager to read what you come up with.

I despised Harris' demeanor in the debates: I felt she had a win at all cost attitude and was as cocky a person (in interviews too) I've ever seen. Very entitled. Only playing the race card. Went after Biden in a sneaky way. Trump-ish in her ego.

I prefer some experience in government to be "qualified." Successful experience. For instance I think Pence would be fine. The only thing I like about Trump is I feel he loves America and is out for American interests always in his trade deals and his bossing around of other countries. I'd like to see that continue. I wish Bider was 15 years younger. I think age has ravaged him, but he's going to win and that's fine. Like I said I fear the VEEP because Biden's choice HAS IT MADE in the political world. Will be anointed the next president and I don't want it to be Abrams.

Even though I want experience ... if we have to go the celebrity route I'd take Oprah over Abrams. I feel Oprah would have America's best interests at heart as well. Since Hillary's appearance on Howard Stern I "hate" her less than last go round. If it was between Hillary and Abrams I'd take Hillary. Even she would be a better Veep choice. She probably wouldn't have to wait long to be president as I think there is real concern about Joe's health.

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2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

After all, she struggled to beat ultimately the worst governor (arguably) and certainly the least well-informed one. While there are plenty of allegations of election tampering there, as well as it being a pretty solid red state, her being the Bernie Sanders #1 pick from the beginning probably disqualifies her.  They’re just not quite on the same page politically, which is why Warren would be a stretch, too.   

To be fair, Warren is (in typical fashion) changing her views to align more with Biden's, so you never know

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23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

How would closing churches for health reasons be illegal?   
 

Arguably, it’s easier to pray at home individually, yes?   Nobody can remove that right.  Nobody can stop you from donating electronically.   At the very least, alcohol creates government revenue through high taxation, same with lotteries...at a time when every state and municipalities across the country are staring at drastic budget cuts in essential services, school consolidation, etc,

Cause church is separate from state. We have unalienable rights.

Easier to pray at home, yes. But it's not just me and my selfish congregation. There are examples of religions and people praying constantly throughout the day. It may be easier to pray in a park or at home but there's something about the building we believers enjoy/respect.

I always like your posts but think you are off your game on the liquor store response here. Terrible. Liquor stores are about booze and yes the government wants that tax money from them. But cmon. We could booze up for 2.5 months but not go in church. You can't justify that one, sir. You are implying again that the act of going into a church is something not essential. The fact is it is an essential business to the mental health and well being of millions. Do you agree suicide is a problem?

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4 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

To be fair, Warren is (in typical fashion) changing her views to align more with Biden's, so you never know

Warren would be a popular pick with the masses except for the fact she is not African American. Check out the popular view of her on SNL. Kate McKinnon has her as a likeable choice. The thing is ... Biden now has to pick a black woman. Whether he technically said it or not (or just implied it) the common view is he has agreed to pick a black woman and if he doesn't, he is going to receive so much negative publicity/commentary. Trump will go after him so badly. He has to pick an African American woman and Abrams is the obvious choice and I dislike the pick. What's wrong with Obama? Nobody is backing me on that choice.

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2 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Cause church is separate from state. We have unalienable rights.

Easier to pray at home, yes. But it's not just me and my selfish congregation. There are examples of religions and people praying constantly throughout the day. It may be easier to pray in a park or at home but there's something about the building we believers enjoy/respect.

I always like your posts but think you are off your game on the liquor store response here. Terrible. Liquor stores are about booze and yes the government wants that tax money from them. But cmon. We could booze up for 2.5 months but not go in church. You can't justify that one, sir.

But protecting the lives of everyone in the country takes precedence...”life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” which of these inalienable rights is listed first and foremost?   Only if your life is protected can you then have #2/#3.

All we’ve been hearing for months from the conservative media is that the suicide rate is going to skyrocket, people will riot in the streets...by denying people the right to drink, we’re going to improve the conditions for all those who are suffering?  Note, I didn’t even argue legalize all Class C narcotics.

 

Catholic mass uses or at least used to utilize real alcohol/wine in celebrating the Eucharist.

The Bible is clear that we should never drink wine or strong drink to the point of drunkenness. But it doesn’t say drinking is not permitted.  That said, conservatives would never argue that government should ever have the right to tell people how much they can drink, as long as they don’t operate a car or boat.

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9 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Warren would be a popular pick with the masses except for the fact she is not African American. Check out the popular view of her on SNL. Kate McKinnon has her as a likeable choice. The thing is ... Biden now has to pick a black woman. Whether he technically said it or not (or just implied it) the common view is he has agreed to pick a black woman and if he doesn't, he is going to receive so much negative publicity/commentary. Trump will go after him so badly. He has to pick an African American woman and Abrams is the obvious choice and I dislike the pick. What's wrong with Obama? Nobody is backing me on that choice.

She could have the nomination if she wanted, but not interested.   Write her a letter urging her to run.   It would have more impact than writing here.   Not even African Americans in the party are sure running an African American woman is the most pragmatic choice.  There is a real fear that it could negatively influence Hispanic voters, for example.   In the MSM that you never read, it’s far from the consensus view about what Biden could/would/should do.  The fact that Harris is black AND Indian is what makes her so intriguing to a number of political operatives, a true “crossover” candidate.   

Life is not decided by SNL impressions, or Trump wouldn’t have been elected in the first place.

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21 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

To be fair, Warren is (in typical fashion) changing her views to align more with Biden's, so you never know

Oh gmafb 

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10 minutes ago, bmags said:

Oh gmafb 

He ain't wrong. She's wayyy more of an establishment candidate than Bernie, despite what she wants her fans to believe. 

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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bill-maher-says-jeff-bezos-043959235.html
 

To get back on track, at least closer to Covid-related effects, try this one, Greg.   This one hits home in Iowa or Kansas.

I also know you often quote Bill Maher, he’s about as close to right-center as it gets.   Amazon probably has an equal number of critics on the right and the left, but it and Wal-Mart are profitability and tax/health insurance avoidance behemoths that are arguably threatening our way of life as monopolies.

What say ye?

 

In America, at least since the 1980’s S&L crisis, we “privatize gains and socialize losses.”

 

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4 hours ago, greg775 said:

The interviewer in Friday's controversial interview asked him about a black woman being VEEP and Biden said he's considering many black women. I've read other stories where it will be a black woman. I want somebody qualified because that person will be president someday. Let's assume of the list you gave one of them will be president a year or so after the election. Which do you think can handle the job effectively? None except maybe Warren. Certainly not Harris. Can you guys be honest and tell me you are not scared of his choice of Abrams. My gosh, at this moment odds are at least 50-50 of her being president someday. Did you see the TV show in which she and Biden appeared and the host and Abrams thought he was going to ask her to be VEEP candidate? Nobody still can figure out why Biden wanted her on the show with him. She was not asked at the time. He's not going to pick Warren but reluctantly she would be my choice but only after Michelle Obama. Why the hell not?? Convince her to do it. She won't only be VEEP, she'll be president soon enough. She is smart; everybody loves her. Barack can help advise if she seeks his help.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/854433511/the-pros-and-cons-of-12-potential-running-mates-for-joe-biden?fbclid=IwAR2lrU9CBHCYYDO1xQb2vCT27QPu5Q5Y8qq575uVwF9ISUHO_nzqcC4YuGE

Greg, read this. Knock yourself out, but it is going to be one of these women.

Why can’t Harris handle it? Why do you feel the need to bring up Abrams repeatedly? She likely doesn’t have the experience needed and won’t be the pick. Why the hell are you so anxious about her being the VP? You also didn’t read what I said about Obama. She doesn’t want to be in politics. If they chose Warren, Trump would love it and could label Biden and her as a socialist. Warren needs to be a senator because the Republican Governor will replace her with someone from his party, plain and simple.
 

3 hours ago, greg775 said:

I don't mind Biden. I think he'll be OK settling things down after 4 years of the egoist Trump if he does not have dementia (notice the interviewer Friday had that as his first question) but without a doubt if this was somebody else they'd leave the race today for what was said. He's survived this gaffe again, but I don't know how it can be deemed anything but truly an offensive statement to African Americans. 

The fact it was a joke at the END of the short interview makes it less offensive because it can be construed as an interview ending joke. But had a fringe candidate said it, bye bye, you are out of the race.

You’re ridiculous. Look at the context without your own feelings and bias. He was being lighthearted at the end and made a random and stupid comment. It will be used in attack ads but it will blow over and the whataboutism wars will persist.

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1 hour ago, greg775 said:

I despised Harris' demeanor in the debates: I felt she had a win at all cost attitude and was as cocky a person (in interviews too) I've ever seen. Very entitled. Only playing the race card. Went after Biden in a sneaky way. Trump-ish in her ego.

I prefer some experience in government to be "qualified." Successful experience. For instance I think Pence would be fine. The only thing I like about Trump is I feel he loves America and is out for American interests always in his trade deals and his bossing around of other countries. 

Holy fucking shit. So, Harris having won statewide office in a state that's bigger than most countries doesnt count as qualified?

Having won a Senate seat from that same state doesnt count as qualified?

Having been a major party candidate for POTUS doesnt count as "qualified?"

 

Greg, i understand that you, like all of us have PREFERENCES. Your preferences =/= "qualified."

 

(I keep expecting more from greg, but I keep ending up disappointed.)

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bill-maher-says-jeff-bezos-043959235.html
 

To get back on track, at least closer to Covid-related effects, try this one, Greg.   This one hits home in Iowa or Kansas.

I also know you often quote Bill Maher, he’s about as close to right-center as it gets.   Amazon probably has an equal number of critics on the right and the left, but it and Wal-Mart are profitability and tax/health insurance avoidance behemoths that are arguably threatening our way of life as monopolies.

What say ye?

 

In America, at least since the 1980’s S&L crisis, we “privatize gains and socialize losses.”

 

Thank you. This needs to stop...now. 

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1 hour ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

He ain't wrong. She's wayyy more of an establishment candidate than Bernie, despite what she wants her fans to believe. 

I don’t think her fans liked her because they thought she was anti establishment.

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1 hour ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

They'd be working 24/7 if they had to deny everything the fake news media put out there

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Fake News?  Julio and James Franco, 2020.

And he’s wearing a mask!  And better bat speed at 61 than most of the 2000-2015 White Sox Top 10 prospects.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=29210934

 

 

As you follow this thread, you’ll notice it’s from China...and is already shrouded in controversy, even if it was to be distributed freely.  Fwiw, this testing group is out ahead of Oxford, Sanofi (France) and Moderna (which might just be a pyramid scheme, caveat emptor).

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3 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

They'd be working 24/7 if they had to deny everything the fake news media put out there

Green?

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