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6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bill-maher-says-jeff-bezos-043959235.html
 

To get back on track, at least closer to Covid-related effects, try this one, Greg.   This one hits home in Iowa or Kansas.

I also know you often quote Bill Maher, he’s about as close to right-center as it gets.   Amazon probably has an equal number of critics on the right and the left, but it and Wal-Mart are profitability and tax/health insurance avoidance behemoths that are arguably threatening our way of life as monopolies.

What say ye?

 

In America, at least since the 1980’s S&L crisis, we “privatize gains and socialize losses.”

 

I'm OK with Maher. Thanks for posting that. It's very interesting topic. Yeah I share Bill's concerns. I also want to shop in real stores. I dunno. Is Bezos a real p---k in real life? I'd call him in if I were Donald and talk person to person about how Bezos is ruining our country. Is Bezos that big a d--k that he'd rebel or work with Trump? I'm OK with Maher. I liked him on Stern especially when he gave his take on never being married. He made a good point about not EVER wanting to be tied down. He wants to be able to do what he wants to do always when he wants to do it. In his mind, no wife, no strife.

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6 hours ago, The Beast said:

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/854433511/the-pros-and-cons-of-12-potential-running-mates-for-joe-biden?fbclid=IwAR2lrU9CBHCYYDO1xQb2vCT27QPu5Q5Y8qq575uVwF9ISUHO_nzqcC4YuGE

Greg, read this. Knock yourself out, but it is going to be one of these women.

Why can’t Harris handle it? Why do you feel the need to bring up Abrams repeatedly? She likely doesn’t have the experience needed and won’t be the pick. Why the hell are you so anxious about her being the VP? You also didn’t read what I said about Obama. She doesn’t want to be in politics. If they chose Warren, Trump would love it and could label Biden and her as a socialist. Warren needs to be a senator because the Republican Governor will replace her with someone from his party, plain and simple.
 

You’re ridiculous. Look at the context without your own feelings and bias. He was being lighthearted at the end and made a random and stupid comment. It will be used in attack ads but it will blow over and the whataboutism wars will persist.

That article scares the bleep out of me. One of those individuals will be our president. The only one qualified is Warren. If Joe has to pick an African American and that by all accounts is the case, then it's Kamala or Abrams for sure. Do u folks truly, honestly want one of those two to be president the next 6-7 years when Joe steps down for health reasons if he has to?? I don't like her at all, but if I had to pick one from that article, I guess it'd be Warren and I despise her.

Folks ... anything can happen and if we had a real convention this year instead of a virtual convention on Zoom cause of Corona I think Hillary or Michelle still might run. Hillary more than Michelle. She'd like nothing bette than to swoop in and grab the nomination cause this time it's an automatic win over Trump.

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Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

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3 hours ago, greg775 said:

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

What?   Your entire premise sucks.   

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5 hours ago, greg775 said:

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

A high school pool party in Arkansas just created a cluster of cases. 2 hair stylists exposed more than 140 people. Rogue church gatherings have created hot spots. Why does stupidity elsewhere warrant opening up churches to kill more?  You must be trolling. You and your loved ones should just defy the dictators and do what you want. Just remember you were warned of the consequences of your actions, so don’t feel sorry for yourself or ask for pity when what you have been told will happen actually happens. All you should get is a big thank you from everyone for making this worse and extending everyone else’s suffering.

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Four reasons for the rush to reopen churches...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/churches-reopening-state-orders-trnd/index.html
 

"The Catholic Church asks their members to contribute by dropping money in the basket every week," Zech said. "They don't ask them to tithe, typically don't ask them to pledge, typically they just ask them to contribute through the collection basket. Of course that means that if (parishioners) are not there, then they're not contributing."

That's critical, he added, because few churches have sources of revenue beyond contributions from parishioners.

More than 12,000 Catholic churches in the US applied for small business loansfrom the federal government, according to Pat Markey, executive director of the Diocesan Fiscal Management Conference (DFMC). Approximately 6,000 parishes were approved in the first round of the Paycheck Protection Program, while 3,000 received loans in the second round, DFMC estimated in early May.

Some churches have asked members to contribute electronically while in-person services are suspended. But Zech said the percentage of those who are making payments online is relatively low.

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8 hours ago, greg775 said:

That article scares the bleep out of me. One of those individuals will be our president. The only one qualified is Warren. If Joe has to pick an African American and that by all accounts is the case, then it's Kamala or Abrams for sure. Do u folks truly, honestly want one of those two to be president the next 6-7 years when Joe steps down for health reasons if he has to?? I don't like her at all, but if I had to pick one from that article, I guess it'd be Warren and I despise her.

Folks ... anything can happen and if we had a real convention this year instead of a virtual convention on Zoom cause of Corona I think Hillary or Michelle still might run. Hillary more than Michelle. She'd like nothing bette than to swoop in and grab the nomination cause this time it's an automatic win over Trump.

Political candidates all have flaws because of long careers and what is found in opposition research. You can think what you want about those candidates, but your views are not representative of the entire voting block. I’d rather give voters more credit to analyze candidates for the nomination and come up with better reasoning for why they think multiple candidates would be fits rather than relying on celebrities or the former First Lady (who again, has no interest in politics) to be the Vice President. Give some people more credit than just focusing on one person, a celebrity and former First Lady.

You seem so concerned about the VP pick, yet you seem to think that an actual convention would involve both First Ladies and believe it is an automatic win over Trump? Wow.

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Ah man the tax free money train stopped rolling whatever will these churches do

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5 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Political candidates all have flaws because of long careers and what is found in opposition research. You can think what you want about those candidates, but your views are not representative of the entire voting block. I’d rather give voters more credit to analyze candidates for the nomination and come up with better reasoning for why they think multiple candidates would be fits rather than relying on celebrities or the former First Lady (who again, has no interest in politics) to be the Vice President. Give some people more credit than just focusing on one person, a celebrity and former First Lady.

You seem so concerned about the VP pick, yet you seem to think that an actual convention would involve both First Ladies and believe it is an automatic win over Trump? Wow.

There’s momentum now going to Warren because of her economics/law and Consumer Protection Board experience, as we transition into ongoing series of arguments for stimulating the economy while still lacking a lacking a health care plan that won’t add another $3-5 trillion in debt. 

And a backlash against Klobuchar...due to her almost complete inability to draw minority voters and the fact that the advantages she provides in MN, IA, WI, MI, OH and PA are essentially the same ones that Biden already has for those particular states.

Harris and Warren appear to be the two co-favorites (yes, that’s creating a bit of risk with her MA Senate seat).

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33 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

There’s momentum now going to Warren because of her economics/law and Consumer Protection Board experience, as we transition into ongoing series of arguments for stimulating the economy while still lacking a lacking a health care plan that won’t add another $3-5 trillion in debt. 

And a backlash against Klobuchar...due to her almost complete inability to draw minority voters and the fact that the advantages she provides in MN, IA, WI, MI, OH and PA are essentially the same ones that Biden already has for those particular states.

Harris and Warren appear to be the two co-favorites (yes, that’s creating a bit of risk with her MA Senate seat).

In spite of my jab at her on the last page, I think Warren is the best option for the reasons you laid out. That said, I would prefer her to be at the top of the ticket and not Biden, but that’s obviously not happening

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46 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

There’s momentum now going to Warren because of her economics/law and Consumer Protection Board experience, as we transition into ongoing series of arguments for stimulating the economy while still lacking a lacking a health care plan that won’t add another $3-5 trillion in debt. 

And a backlash against Klobuchar...due to her almost complete inability to draw minority voters and the fact that the advantages she provides in MN, IA, WI, MI, OH and PA are essentially the same ones that Biden already has for those particular states.

Harris and Warren appear to be the two co-favorites (yes, that’s creating a bit of risk with her MA Senate seat).

Quick question for you, Caulfield:

 

Where do you fall on the political spectrum? Are you a Bernie Bro, Center-left, Cemter-Right, or a fox news kool-ader?

 

(Once you answer that, THEN feel free to comment on the following.)

You are a good poster, with much to add here. But your suppositions about the VP pick, particularly vis a vis Warren are YOUR opinions posed as fact. You seem to be able to cite links for everything except your opinion on the VP pick. (You strangely have no links when you pimp Warren's chances, yet you have links for everything else you post.)

Warren would be a craptastic and moronic pick for Biden, IMO. For a variety of reasons, she would be terrible. For as much as you (and others) b**** about Biden's self-pwnage over the past few days, so too has Warren self-pwned herself as well.

 

That said, this crisis means we need a fvkxing grownup to fvkxing run this country. We're reopening this country, yet I think scant attention is paid to how to prevent a recurrence of outbreaks. 

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8 hours ago, greg775 said:

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

 

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10 hours ago, greg775 said:

Lets please stop talking about 14 people in a church being a hazard. Did you see the tape of the party in the Ozarks released Saturday night on social media/Twitter? Hundreds of people in a pool and on the deck partying with NO concern of COVID. They are swimming, drinking, partying ALL OVER the pool. Hundreds. No masks. Of course not.

Let's face it, the very young people don't give a flying flip about CORONA. Young people aren't dying and they are NOT ever wearing masks and having a jolly Memorial Day weekend. Meanwhile, we're discussing greg's Mass of 14 people?

Get real. It's over. The country is opened. If this link doesn't work tweet Scott Pasmore. Video of a HUGE party in the Ozarks. Try to copy and paste that link. It's @scottpasmoretv

Look at that party and tell me you don't feel silly talking about opening churches. Geez.

p.s. The Missouri governor has to be soooo mad when he sees the pix. National Guard on Saturday? There will be hell to pay at the Ozark party pool.

It’s almost like our top experts knew this was going to happen so they decided on a flatten the curve policy instead of a quarantine policy.  

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4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Four reasons for the rush to reopen churches...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/churches-reopening-state-orders-trnd/index.html
 

"The Catholic Church asks their members to contribute by dropping money in the basket every week," Zech said. "They don't ask them to tithe, typically don't ask them to pledge, typically they just ask them to contribute through the collection basket. Of course that means that if (parishioners) are not there, then they're not contributing."

That's critical, he added, because few churches have sources of revenue beyond contributions from parishioners.

More than 12,000 Catholic churches in the US applied for small business loansfrom the federal government, according to Pat Markey, executive director of the Diocesan Fiscal Management Conference (DFMC). Approximately 6,000 parishes were approved in the first round of the Paycheck Protection Program, while 3,000 received loans in the second round, DFMC estimated in early May.

Some churches have asked members to contribute electronically while in-person services are suspended. But Zech said the percentage of those who are making payments online is relatively low.

Zech doesn't know squat. We make pledges every year and fulfill the pledge. They mail you envelopes. I put in money each week to fulfill the pledge. You don't have to make a pledge to be a member. Only something like 40 percent give any money. However, if you aren't a member you can't have a wedding there, etc. You have to sign up and be a member to use the services. I heard our church did OK in getting the pledge money the first month; last month people didn't fulfill their pledges much as we are not a rich parish and they needed the money for food, toilet paper.

Yes churches are hurting for money. I'm sure some worse than others. I was upset the doors were slammed shut two months but I fulfilled my donation, calming down and realizing it wasn't their fault we were locked down. We also had and still are having virtual mass online for those uncomfortable going to Mass.

Sure the churches need money. Sure we have problems like the lowlifes who abused kids and hopefully all got caught and are rotting in jail. But churches aren't opening only cause they need $$ although they do need cash and some probably will have to close for good now.

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4 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Ah man the tax free money train stopped rolling whatever will these churches do

Churches are hurting like most 'businesses.' You make a pledge but they don't kick you out for not paying up. This past month I heard our fulfilled pledges were scant. As far as the tax free thing ... college athletics are exempt too. Why not take the tax break if it's allowed? Our church for 40 years has been run by Cap Franciscans. Look them up. They have no possessions, none. Only exception is if they are a working pastor or priest then can have a car paid for by the parish. Not all churches are rolling in dough. Although have there been massive scandals? Sure.

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1 hour ago, greg775 said:

Churches are hurting like most 'businesses.' You make a pledge but they don't kick you out for not paying up. This past month I heard our fulfilled pledges were scant. As far as the tax free thing ... college athletics are exempt too. Why not take the tax break if it's allowed? Our church for 40 years has been run by Cap Franciscans. Look them up. They have no possessions, none. Only exception is if they are a working pastor or priest then can have a car paid for by the parish. Not all churches are rolling in dough. Although have there been massive scandals? Sure.

Trump demanded churches be open today. Surprised he passed on a chance to attend  choosing to golf again instead.

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23 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Trump demanded churches be open today. Surprised he passed on a chance to attend  choosing to golf again instead.

Why am I not surprised? Both, that he wasn' t in church and that he was on the golf course. He is such a fine Christian. 

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3 hours ago, greg775 said:

Churches are hurting like most 'businesses.' You make a pledge but they don't kick you out for not paying up. This past month I heard our fulfilled pledges were scant. As far as the tax free thing ... college athletics are exempt too. Why not take the tax break if it's allowed? Our church for 40 years has been run by Cap Franciscans. Look them up. They have no possessions, none. Only exception is if they are a working pastor or priest then can have a car paid for by the parish. Not all churches are rolling in dough. Although have there been massive scandals? Sure.

Tax them all, sure I don't mind.    Massive scandals in both church and college athletics, so sure it sounds great to tax them.  

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47 minutes ago, NWINFan said:

Why am I not surprised? Both, that he wasn' t in church and that he was on the golf course. He is such a fine Christian. 

My wife asked me, why/how could Trump be golfing when almost 100,000 are dead?

In China, its has been outlawed for politicians to play over the last 3-5 years.  Creating the wrong appearance, but also anti-Westernism/decadence.  I’m guessing a significant aspect of this is also Xi Jinping not particularly enjoying the sport.  Not to mention the rivalry with Japan going back to WW II, and how popular golf is there, along with Trump/Abe both playing together every chance they get.

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8 hours ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Quick question for you, Caulfield:

 

Where do you fall on the political spectrum? Are you a Bernie Bro, Center-left, Cemter-Right, or a fox news kool-ader?

 

(Once you answer that, THEN feel free to comment on the following.)

You are a good poster, with much to add here. But your suppositions about the VP pick, particularly vis a vis Warren are YOUR opinions posed as fact. You seem to be able to cite links for everything except your opinion on the VP pick. (You strangely have no links when you pimp Warren's chances, yet you have links for everything else you post.)

Warren would be a craptastic and moronic pick for Biden, IMO. For a variety of reasons, she would be terrible. For as much as you (and others) b**** about Biden's self-pwnage over the past few days, so too has Warren self-pwned herself as well.

 

That said, this crisis means we need a fvkxing grownup to fvkxing run this country. We're reopening this country, yet I think scant attention is paid to how to prevent a recurrence of outbreaks. 

Left center, but certainly not quite out where AOC is (very few Iowans are.)

Believe it or not, I followed the primaries pretty religiously here, desperate to find, well, anyone suited to lead America into the future.

The closest candidate I found was....Buttigieg.   Because he’s articulate and unafraid to openly debate Republicans on religion, and he’s mostly likable in an earnest, Boy Scout way.   Maybe if you squint really hard, you can imagine him as president, and why that would be good for the world.

Warren comes from the fact my best friend’s sister took law school classes with her and is a huge fan...and is normally more or less indifferent to the majority of politicians.   Warren obviously is another one of the brightest candidates, and actually cares about policy.  A wonk, just like Bill Clinton was, actually interested in the machinery of government.

The Obama people NEVER liked her, and then there’s the danger of losing that MA seat.

The party is caught between three imperatives...African American vote turnout (Obama, Bill Clinton), young and Latino turnout (see Sanders) and the Heartland/Rust Belt states.   If it was a man, I perhaps would have chosen Sherrod Brown...but Klobuchar or Whitmer are the go to for that third reason.

Black voters didn’t connect with Klobuchar/Buttigieg, but they did warm to Sanders/Warren.  The reality here is they actually liked Sanders’ ideas more than him personally, but many are among the most pragmatic voters (especially after four years of Trump) who were also scared Sanders wouldn’t be able to win running as a socialist (not running away from that label, at least.)   They trust Biden, but don’t love him...not like Obama and Bill Clinton (at least while he was president.)   In that sense, Biden is much like Gore here....just older and more folksy, but less policy-driven.

When push comes to shove, Harris gets the nod due to her age (52), her debate/campaigning skills (her campaign itself was terrible, but that’s a different issue) and for being both black and Indian, representing the diversity of the party and the world, for that matter.  And that lack of genuine Native American blood is what will cost Warren in the end, as Trump would have hammered her on that.  You simply can’t have four older white candidates to choose from if you want to motivate all the core groups I listed above to get out and vote.   But I understand the attraction, as the Sanders/AOC wing is still slow to embrace Biden and feels they got sucker-punched twice by the DNC.

It would also make Trump consider the Nikki Haley card to counter Harris, but he would never admit a mistake by dumping Pence IMO (in the same way he is basically now stuck with Fauci, Redfield and Azar.). That’s a calculated risk, and Trump just might get THAT desperate in July and August if there’s no end in sight to Covid in order to shake things up.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/politics/donald-trump-tweets-joe-biden-comments/index.html

Five things Trump said in the last 48 hours that were arguably worse than Biden’s “gaffe”...but went largely unnoticed 

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I mean, if liquor stores are open, why can’t churches be open? I don’t see what the big deal is??!?!?!111111111111111111

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5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

My wife asked me, why/how could Trump be golfing when almost 100,000 are dead?

In China, its has been outlawed for politicians to play over the last 3-5 years.  Creating the wrong appearance, but also anti-Westernism/decadence.  I’m guessing a significant aspect of this is also Xi Jinping not particularly enjoying the sport.  Not to mention the rivalry with Japan going back to WW II, and how popular golf is there, along with Trump/Abe both playing together every chance they get.

How do u know he didn't go to church before the golf? He probably didn't but shouldn't jump to conclusions.

My update: 25 people at 5 pm Mass. I wasn't crazy about the folks at the entrances being a little bossy. Why does everybody who gets a little "power" have to act so powerful, from politicians to guards at a church? Whatever happened to kindness?

Anyhow ... no music at the Mass, though the organist played a solo of Ave Maria which was tear inducing. My mask was slipping off at Mass' end. It was a 30 minute Mass in a big church with just 25 peeps counting the workers and priest and altar server and organist. She played just the one song.

When is McDonald's going to open up for regular hours? Once again some restaurants even though they are allowed to be open for peeps to use the outlets, they ain't open, just the drive through. I snuck in though to use the restroom after spending some time at the park. Of course the park restrooms are locked. Can't open them up, you know? Covid certainly lurks in there.

Anyhow, Douglas County has 8 cases of corona. Should be an interesting case study when the athletes return. We could really spike in number when the athletes/students show.

Finally, some blast me for going to a 25-person mass. Meanwhile, at the Ozarks ... LETS PARTY!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/videos-crowded-lake-ozarks-party-165003815.html

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4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/politics/donald-trump-tweets-joe-biden-comments/index.html

Five things Trump said in the last 48 hours that were arguably worse than Biden’s “gaffe”...but went largely unnoticed 

Why do u have to compare? I've heard some African Americans upset on TV at Joe's commets like Faulkner who was very upset. At one point does the media start covering this stuff. CNN has nothing on it. This is silly. Joe should face the critics on this one, not have it be swept away. Bernie quit way too early. Bernie should be the next president. Although somebody said his VEEP woulda been Abrams for sure.

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5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Left center, but certainly not quite out where AOC is (very few Iowans are.)

Believe it or not, I followed the primaries pretty religiously here, desperate to find, well, anyone suited to lead America into the future.

The closest candidate I found was....Buttigieg.   Because he’s articulate and unafraid to openly debate Republicans on religion, and he’s mostly likable in an earnest, Boy Scout way.   Maybe if you squint really hard, you can imagine him as president, and why that would be good for the world.

Warren comes from the fact my best friend’s sister took law school classes with her and is a huge fan...and is normally more or less indifferent to the majority of politicians.   Warren obviously is another one of the brightest candidates, and actually cares about policy.  A wonk, just like Bill Clinton was, actually interested in the machinery of government.

 The Obama people NEVER liked her, and then there’s the danger of losing that MA seat.

The party is caught between three imperatives...African American vote turnout (Obama, Bill Clinton), young and Latino turnout (see Sanders) and the Heartland/Rust Belt states.   If it was a man, I perhaps would have chosen Sherrod Brown...but Klobuchar or Whitmer are the go to for that third reason.

Black voters didn’t connect with Klobuchar/Buttigieg, but they did warm to Sanders/Warren.  The reality here is they actually liked Sanders’ ideas more than him personally, but many are among the most pragmatic voters (especially after four years of Trump) who were also scared Sanders wouldn’t be able to win running as a socialist (not running away from that label, at least.)   They trust Biden, but don’t love him...not like Obama and Bill Clinton (at least while he was president.)   In that sense, Biden is much like Gore here....just older and more folksy, but less policy-driven.

When push comes to shove, Harris gets the nod due to her age (52), her debate/campaigning skills (her campaign itself was terrible, but that’s a different issue) and for being both black and Indian, representing the diversity of the party and the world, for that matter.  And that lack of genuine Native American blood is what will cost Warren in the end, as Trump would have hammered her on that.  You simply can’t have four older white candidates to choose from if you want to motivate all the core groups I listed above to get out and vote.   But I understand the attraction, as the Sanders/AOC wing is still slow to embrace Biden and feels they got sucker-punched twice by the DNC.

It would also make Trump consider the Nikki Haley card to counter Harris, but he would never admit a mistake by dumping Pence IMO (in the same way he is basically now stuck with Fauci, Redfield and Azar.). That’s a calculated risk, and Trump just might get THAT desperate in July and August if there’s no end in sight to Covid in order to shake things up.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/politics/donald-trump-tweets-joe-biden-comments/index.html

Five things Trump said in the last 48 hours that were arguably worse than Biden’s “gaffe”...but went largely unnoticed 

Harris? Please say it isn't so. Anybody but Kamala or Abrams as VEEP. ... Also you called Joe "folksy?" You are off your game today, Caulfield. Joe is coming across as mean (he's screaming out his answers too forcefully with his, "Hey man" start to some answers. Should get interesting if the questions ever get difficult if they ever ask him about Ukraine and his son and his arrogant statement on the Breakfast Club. It's unfair he can get away with the "you ain't black" stuff when several careers of people on TV have been ruined by statements deemed racist.

And nobody accused of what he's been accused of (yes Trump is accused of even more incidents) can be called "folksy." 

I don't despise Joe as I did HIllary but I"m not a fan. BTW, Hillary made a BIG MISTAKE in her campaign not going on the Stern show. Ever since her hour-long appearance this year, I don't hate her nearly as much. If she'd have gone on with Howard a couple times she'd have won voters like me. Instead we were left to "despise" her for the reasons I mentioned last election cycle.

Play ball! Go Sox! Chet Lemon forever!

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