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California largely went back into shutdown today. Malls, indoor restaurants, bars, etc - all back to being closed.  My guess is the next time things re-open, we won't see them really do much to open any of those places. I think people are going to have to realize indoor places are where you go to get your essentials (get in and get out), but outside of that, they just won't be the norm for a while.  

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1 hour ago, greg775 said:

Thank u turnin.

Regarding this issue: I've always pretty much had the same opinion: Obey my authorities here even if I personally wanted to scream in their face at their being bullies. I'm often considered a bad citizen/person on here even though regarding corona I a.) never violated any rules .b.) wore a mask the instant it was demanded of me; and at church when that was the recommendation. c.) wrote 4 letters to my government bullies who never responded to one of them. Nice.

My point? I've always been a law abiding citizen on this. Do I disagree with some things? Of course.

Which "soft" government leaders have been most effective during this crisis?

One would argue that the female governors/mayors and 3 Republican governors (Inslee/Cuomo/Newsom have also done well)...have performed as well as anyone.

Kansas is NOT an easy state to deal with, not unlike Iowa.  Lots of religious communities that are conservative/traditional, and then rural folks and farmers that are usually anti-government in general.   Otoh, you've had idiots like Kris Kobach "valiantly" attempting to investigate mail-in ballot scandals that have unearthed 22 individuals over the past couple of decades.  Westboro Baptist Church.  Endless arguments about teaching creationism vs. evolution/Darwin in the schools. It's almost inconceivable to imagine a "non-bullying" attitude getting anyone's attention....at least outside of Johnson County, where the bullying is more over your social circle and net worth/connections.

I don't get you Greg, why you harbor mostly ill feelings towards women like Hillary Clinton, Gretchen Whitmer in MI, Chelsea Clinton scared you for five years, Stacey Abrams in Georgia, then the shockingly Democratic female governor of one of the more conservative overall states in the USA in KS....why do they scare you so much?  I mean, we've had these arguments for decades about how female politicians exhibiting ambition/aggressiveness, traits valued in men, come across as unlikable in the world of business or Washington, D.C.

Why don't Ivanka and Melania scare you even moreso?    If someone is a model (the two Trumps) or more attractive (we could even extend this to Sarah Palin, Kristi Noem or Tulsi Gabbard) than average, they are rendered harmless?

 

 

During a flurry of activity on his Twitter account, Trump retweeted a message from game show host Chuck Woolery that claimed “everyone is lying” about the coronavirus as part of a plot to sabotage the economy and hurt Trump’s reelection campaign.

“The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19,” wrote Woolery in the message promoted by Trump. “Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it’s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I’m sick of it.”

Asked about the retweet at a briefing later Monday, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said that the “notion of the tweet was to point out the fact that when we use science, we have to use it in a way that is not political.” 

In an op-ed published on the CNBC website, Mulvaney wrote: “I know it isn’t popular to talk about in some Republican circles, but we still have a testing problem in this country. My son was tested recently; we had to wait 5 to 7 days for results. My daughter wanted to get tested before visiting her grandparents, but was told she didn’t qualify. That is simply inexcusable at this point in the pandemic.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-identifies-another-hoax-the-coronavirus-152649383.html

 

 

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3 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

California largely went back into shutdown today. Malls, indoor restaurants, bars, etc - all back to being closed.  My guess is the next time things re-open, we won't see them really do much to open any of those places. I think people are going to have to realize indoor places are where you go to get your essentials (get in and get out), but outside of that, they just won't be the norm for a while.  

Yes, which doesn't bode well for college basketball. Wonder when all the events are going to get canceled like Maui and Champions Classic and all those other holiday tournaments.

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Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

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18 minutes ago, Hawkfan said:

Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

I would not want anyone to die or get sick with a disease that we know nothing about and that has no vaccine, no matter how much I disapprove of a President. 

Just because something doesn't happen to someone, doesn't mean something is fake or a hoax. There is plenty of evidence out there that COVID is very real. It is not just limited to the US. It is all over the globe. I believe in medicine and science.

And I would rather overreact than under-react. Other countries have gotten it under control because they acted promptly and didn't politicize simple prevention, like masks.

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1 hour ago, Hawkfan said:

Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

One big global hoax all targeted at Trump, sure. 

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53 minutes ago, Hawkfan said:

Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

Everyone on the "hoax" side of this claimed hundreds of thousands were dying all over the streets and hospital waiting rooms of China.

How can it suddenly NOT be real?  What changed?

How many of those same people are going without masks or social distancing?  Yet still asking their kids to work and/or go to school without any PPE in order to earn money for the family? 

How many of the conspiracy crew are turning down the extra $600/week and volunteering themselves to basically take pretty much any essential services job that likely pays less than it would be to sit on the couch through the end of July and collect unemployment payments?

How many are rejecting subsidized health care coverage from the government?

How many will not receive a vaccine but want to send their kids to public schools?  Will they pay restitution to their classmates and classmates' families if they get them sick?  Why don't they all home school them, then?

How many believe in FOX News, Breitbart, Alex Jones and OAN over real journalism?

How many of these same anti-maskers were fighting to defend President Obama from 2009-2013 when he made every possible effort to reach out to the other side....when the GOP philosophy of Mitch McConnell was OPENLY ADMITTED TO BE for the Congress to make him a one term president and obstruct every single thing he wanted to accomplish no matter how center right it was (ObamaCare was more to the right than Romney's own Massachusetts health care plan)?    That cheered on the blocking of Merrick Garland and are still cheering on the filling of hundreds of lifetime judicial appointments in an "election year" when those appointments should have been suspended beginning in January...

 

If these same things were happening under Obama, he would have been impeached about 3 months ago, if not 4.    Imagine ServerGate and Benghazi TIMES ten.

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My wife's school district announced their plans last night.

Students will be in-person 5 days a week. They will be doing block-scheduled A/B days. So, a student will go to let's say their math, science, and spanish classes for double class periods on Day A, and the other classes on Day B. Other students would be flip-flopped. Oh but the school day is shortened to 830-1230, so it doesn't actually help parents with childcare at all anyway.

So ultimately, you still have every student in the building every day, and class sizes of 30+ every period.

We have five weeks to decide if she's going to resign over this.

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Florida Governor DeSantis got heckled at a Miami press conference. He stood there looking like the political hack that he is as the heckler told him he had no plan or idea of how to deal with this situation, and he had no answer. The denial goes on and on while the virus spreads out of control. The heckler was dragged out of the press conference when DeSantis should have been dragged out. Give the heckler the microphone; he might have come up with something. I think that is a given since DeSantis and the other GOP governors have shown they have no clue as they run and hide from Trump.

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1 hour ago, Hawkfan said:

Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

Yea man I was thrilled when my dads best friend died in April.  Fist pumping as he drowned in his own excessive fluids filling his lungs.  It was fucking awesome man, fuck trump this was a master move to die like that to own the GOP

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These people are 3rd graders. And to think they feel justified because, "I'm not doing it behind your back".

Has the country devolved this much?

 

White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications and Director of Social Media posts cartoon and message on FB attacking the nation’s leading infectious disease expert for telling the truth about this deadly pandemic. facebook.com/14406160028207

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1 hour ago, Hawkfan said:

Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

No.  In fact, I can't imagine being able to believe that someone has the power to get the entire world to shutdown for a hoax, including getting our enemies who support Trump's re-election to play along, yet they can't nominate someone better than Biden, nor can they do something much simpler to get rid of Trump instead of shutting down the world economy.  Then again, Occum and I are soul mates so that might be it too.

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11 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

I have zero doubt I would have done a better job - none; Would I have been perfect, no, but better, absolutely.  I will also admit, that I am pretty sure even if Trump did everything right, he would still get blasted by 50% of the people on here (that it still wasn't good enough, etc - and the same would hold true if Trump was a democrat).  

But I don't have to debate whether he did a good job - cause he clearly did an awful awful job.  

The thing is i wasn't even talking about trump. this falls into everybody's lap across every state. trump is a lost cause. he's proven himself over decades - it's not like i expected any different.

The thing I think people don't understand about trump enough is that he doesn't care about anybody about himself. I don't think he cares one bit if masks work, don't work, etc. I think he is a marketer and con(fidence) man. He picks the road where it will benefit him most for re-election. In this case he thought he could rile up and divide the base again to win via this route. I think it has obviously blew up in his face entirely for which i'm glad. He's too ignorant and proud to change his stance and admit he is wrong because he's a child. But I think if he thought masks would win him an election he'd be stamping MAGA all across masks and selling them. The thing is he only really cares about a few things ... winning, power, and hearing his name on the television. The american public is so far down on that list. 

What i think he did right though in my opinion is give the power to the states to choose their routes. I don't support his divisive nature & think it goes too far in preventing any true cooperation because of undermining the situation. However all states were given the power to choose their own path and very few have done a good job. Thank goodness IL is one of those. I'm not a big JB guy - but he's handled this pretty well. B, maybe even B+ territory. The problem is when you're in power you're in charge of people and all that comes with that. This world is full of a bunch of immature, uneducated, stubborn, naive, self-loving, ignorant, assholes. And unfortunately when dealing with an infectious disease theres not a whole lot of room for those type of people. 

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1 hour ago, Hawkfan said:

Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

So you think the entire world is doing everything to get rid of Trump?  I could largley buy that if the US was doing the same things as other countries and largely trending the same way.  But the US is doing very little of what other countries have done and has also seen none of the success most developed nations have seen.  

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24 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

My wife's school district announced their plans last night.

Students will be in-person 5 days a week. They will be doing block-scheduled A/B days. So, a student will go to let's say their math, science, and spanish classes for double class periods on Day A, and the other classes on Day B. Other students would be flip-flopped. Oh but the school day is shortened to 830-1230, so it doesn't actually help parents with childcare at all anyway.

So ultimately, you still have every student in the building every day, and class sizes of 30+ every period.

We have five weeks to decide if she's going to resign over this.

Our district came out with more color. Mon - Tues (kids that opt to are in class (morning shift and afternoon shift); wednesday is virtual (+ school cleaned); Thurs & Friday same as Monday / Tuesday.  If you don't do the morning or afternoon shift and need childcare, you need to look into CDC centers at the school and/or Boys and Girls Clubs, etc.  It will be interesting to see what % opts for hybrid vs. online only (as all parents can either select the hybrid model I outlined above or a fully virtual model).  

Lets say 30% of the parents select virtual, that means you basically have 70% of your previous class sizes than getting split in half. Masks will be required.  

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9 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said:

The thing is i wasn't even talking about trump. this falls into everybody's lap across every state. trump is a lost cause. he's proven himself over decades - it's not like i expected any different.

The thing I think people don't understand about trump enough is that he doesn't care about anybody about himself. I don't think he cares one bit if masks work, don't work, etc. I think he is a marketer and con(fidence) man. He picks the road where it will benefit him most for re-election. In this case he thought he could rile up and divide the base again to win via this route. I think it has obviously blew up in his face entirely for which i'm glad. He's too ignorant and proud to change his stance and admit he is wrong because he's a child. But I think if he thought masks would win him an election he'd be stamping MAGA all across masks and selling them. The thing is he only really cares about a few things ... winning, power, and hearing his name on the television. The american public is so far down on that list. 

What i think he did right though in my opinion is give the power to the states to choose their routes. I don't support his divisive nature & think it goes too far in preventing any true cooperation because of undermining the situation. However all states were given the power to choose their own path and very few have done a good job. Thank goodness IL is one of those. I'm not a big JB guy - but he's handled this pretty well. B, maybe even B+ territory. The problem is when you're in power you're in charge of people and all that comes with that. This world is full of a bunch of immature, uneducated, stubborn, naive, self-loving, ignorant, assholes. And unfortunately when dealing with an infectious disease theres not a whole lot of room for those type of people. 

Some thoughts on the failures of both the federal and state govenrments.

I'd disagree with the statement that "the world" is filled with the sorts of people you described, though. The US is one of a handful of nations that have handled this so poorly. Most other countries have done much better and actually come together collectively.

 

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34 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said:

The thing is i wasn't even talking about trump. this falls into everybody's lap across every state. trump is a lost cause. he's proven himself over decades - it's not like i expected any different.

The thing I think people don't understand about trump enough is that he doesn't care about anybody about himself. I don't think he cares one bit if masks work, don't work, etc. I think he is a marketer and con(fidence) man. He picks the road where it will benefit him most for re-election. In this case he thought he could rile up and divide the base again to win via this route. I think it has obviously blew up in his face entirely for which i'm glad. He's too ignorant and proud to change his stance and admit he is wrong because he's a child. But I think if he thought masks would win him an election he'd be stamping MAGA all across masks and selling them. The thing is he only really cares about a few things ... winning, power, and hearing his name on the television. The american public is so far down on that list. 

What i think he did right though in my opinion is give the power to the states to choose their routes. I don't support his divisive nature & think it goes too far in preventing any true cooperation because of undermining the situation. However all states were given the power to choose their own path and very few have done a good job. Thank goodness IL is one of those. I'm not a big JB guy - but he's handled this pretty well. B, maybe even B+ territory. The problem is when you're in power you're in charge of people and all that comes with that. This world is full of a bunch of immature, uneducated, stubborn, naive, self-loving, ignorant, assholes. And unfortunately when dealing with an infectious disease theres not a whole lot of room for those type of people. 

Even if he once again challenged the emoluments clause by hawking MAGA masks back in February/March to his own followers for $19.95 and they were made in China instead of 3M...AND the rest of the country was required to wear real masks of their choice from the beginning of the 1st shutdown through the first or second week of June upon entering any public facility, he would still be looking at better than 50/50 odds of being re-elected.

 

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3 hours ago, Hawkfan said:

Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

Thanks Chuck I will take Bad Ideas for $100 along with Door #3.

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It would have been fairly simple to follow the guidelines and reduce casualty loss. Instead I have read that the 10th Amendment constrains our leader. I don't know how to reconcile our different perceptions. We seem to have sold out science for preferred political narratives.

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13 hours ago, greg775 said:

Obey my authorities here even if I personally wanted to scream in their face at their being bullies.

Do you scream at them because they make you wear a seat belt or else you will be ticketed? How about the fact that they make you wear a shirt and shoes into a store or else you can't shop there? Are they being bullies then?

Are you upset that they bullied people that smoke to smoke outdoors only? 

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5 hours ago, Hawkfan said:

Is anyone beginning to think the entire reaction to the wuhan flu is a big hoax?  I don't get out much, as I work from home, but it seems like a lot of the reaction is just a desperate attempt to get rid of Trump, and maybe the supporters of quarantining are just happy that something bad has happened during the best presidency in the history of country.

First of all, it's not Wuhan Flu, it's COVID-19.  Secondly, 130,000+ people did not die from a hoax.  This virus is very real, and it can be very dangerous to some folks.  The worst thing about the virus is that it is a novel coronavirus, which means we don't know much about it.  We're learning every day about it, and the actual experts (CDC, Dr. Fauci, countless doctors and scientists) are doing their best to pass on their learnings to the public.  It just sucks that we have people in charge who refuse to believe and will go so far as to muzzle the experts.

I personally know several people who have had COVID, and most experienced mild symptoms (like a bad flu).  One guy, though, was hospitalized and was out of work for a month.  He was healthy and didn't have any underlying conditions.

Not a hoax.  It's real, and it's getting worse because people aren't taking it seriously.

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1 hour ago, Iwritecode said:

Do you scream at them because they make you wear a seat belt or else you will be ticketed? How about the fact that they make you wear a shirt and shoes into a store or else you can't shop there? Are they being bullies then?

Are you upset that they bullied people that smoke to smoke outdoors only? 

I wonder how many of the same people who don't want to hear about wearing a mask are the same people willing to smash a car window to save a dog?  When did we become so anti-human in this country?

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