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It should be telling that while Government has by and large been afraid of making mask rules, that we are seeing the Corporate sector, who exists only for making money, is figuring out that it is more profitable for them to exist with mask regulations than to not. Corporations would not be putting in rules at their own stores, of their own volition, which would cost them MORE money. If Wal-Mart is scared of transmission, you should be too.

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35 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I'm really glad there are people who will volunteer for those things, because I don't think I would. I suppose if I thought my kids were high risk or something along those lines - than maybe I'd say this is what I ultimately need to do to protect them, but man, that would be scary, getting a theoretical vaccine and than exposing you to something that you may or may not be able to recover from (if the vaccine doesn't work).  

The article discusses exactly that reason as to why this is a controversial move. The trial group for the challenge study is only a few dozen, but the problem is exactly what you point out: there's no known highly effective treatment, so this could kill you. And if you don't test the older age cohorts that are more at risk, you're not learning about potential complications and efficacy in those target groups. Ultimately, the scientists and researchers including a number of Nobel laureates argue that the potential good here outweighs the risk given the scale of the COVID-19 crisis around the globe. I know I wouldn't be signing up for it.

The larger Phase 3 trials are still going to take place in the current hotspots where there's enough natural viral exposure to test efficacy. Sadly, the US will be a major part of that. The reason why the original SARS-cov-1 vaccine was eventually abandoned was the the spread was stamped out so effectively that by the time it came for efficacy trials, it just wasn't out there in the wild anymore.

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12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It should be telling that while Government has by and large been afraid of making mask rules, that we are seeing the Corporate sector, who exists only for making money, is figuring out that it is more profitable for them to exist with mask regulations than to not. Corporations would not be putting in rules at their own stores, of their own volition, which would cost them MORE money. If Wal-Mart is scared of transmission, you should be too.

Gov. Kemp, R-Georgia, *just* issued a ruling forbidding any local governments from mandating masks.

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When I wear a mask in public, or decline an invitation to a party or to come inside:
🔵 I want you to know that I am educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus.
🔵 No, I don’t “live in fear” of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem.
🔵 I don’t feel like the “government is controlling me” any more than when I wear a seat belt, don't drive drunk, obey the speed limit, or stop at a red light. I feel like I’m being a contributing adult to society and I want to teach others the same.
🔵 The world doesn’t revolve around me. It’s not all about me and my comfort.
🔵 If we all could follow these simple steps, the virus could be under control, and businesses back open.
🔵 Wearing a mask doesn’t make me weak, scared, stupid, or even “controlled.” It makes me considerate.
🔵 When you think about how you look, how uncomfortable it is, or what others think of you, just imagine someone close to you - a child, a father, a mother, aunt, uncle, or grandparent - choking on a respirator, alone without you or any family member allowed at bedside.
🔵 Ask yourself if you could have sucked it up a little for them.
 
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6 hours ago, Hawkfan said:

Yes, there is a demand for restaurants to be open, there is a demand for schools to be open, demand for air travel, but it can't be met due to unnecessary restrictions (the uneducated would call them protections). I believe there is definitely some cause for concern when you see the Government trying to "protect" us so much.  If you think them doling out money to citizens is a good thing, that's fine, but I can't believe that is a good strategy.

Who said anything about continually giving money to citizens? If schools open and cases surge, we will be back online and the same people will b**** again.

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People are losing their flipping minds. The Chuck Woolery's of the world and their death-cult. 

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:
When I wear a mask in public, or decline an invitation to a party or to come inside:
🔵 I want you to know that I am educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus.
🔵 No, I don’t “live in fear” of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem.
🔵 I don’t feel like the “government is controlling me” any more than when I wear a seat belt, don't drive drunk, obey the speed limit, or stop at a red light. I feel like I’m being a contributing adult to society and I want to teach others the same.
🔵 The world doesn’t revolve around me. It’s not all about me and my comfort.
🔵 If we all could follow these simple steps, the virus could be under control, and businesses back open.
🔵 Wearing a mask doesn’t make me weak, scared, stupid, or even “controlled.” It makes me considerate.
🔵 When you think about how you look, how uncomfortable it is, or what others think of you, just imagine someone close to you - a child, a father, a mother, aunt, uncle, or grandparent - choking on a respirator, alone without you or any family member allowed at bedside.
🔵 Ask yourself if you could have sucked it up a little for them.
 

Has anyone else noticed, most people that don't wear masks would generally help society by covering their faces?

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4 hours ago, Hawkfan said:

That's what the mask symbolizes, yes I agree.  

This person is a reckless danger to society. 

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5 hours ago, Hawkfan said:

The mask is just the flag you wave that says I'm willing to watch people die while I do nothing but ask for more porridge.

Mods - Time to ban this troll.  It’s clear he’s just trying to get a rise out of everyone here.

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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Mods - Time to ban this troll.  It’s clear he’s just trying to get a rise out of everyone here.

Don’t worry about it, I’m enjoying this. 

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Millions of Americans have lost employer-sponsored health care coverage since the coronavirus pandemic hit the U.S., causing a recession and widespread job losses.

Nearly half of all Americans receive their health insurance through their employer. And amid coronavirus layoffs, some states have seen a massive uptick in the number of uninsured adults.

According to a report by Families USA, a non-profit public health organization, nine states and the District of Columbia have more than a 30% increase in the number of uninsured from February to May 2020, compared to 2018. Overall, the percentage increase of uninsured in the U.S. is at 21%, with 5.3 million people losing health care coverage between February and May.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/lost-health-insurance-coronavirus-pandemic-125934943.html
 

 

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8 hours ago, pcq said:

People are losing their flipping minds. The Chuck Woolery's of the world and their death-cult. 

Chuck Woolerys son caught the virus. Chuck has changed his mind about the hoax, and deleted his twitter account. That didn’t take very long.

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4 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

Chuck Woolerys son caught the virus. Chuck has changed his mind about the hoax, and deleted his twitter account. That didn’t take very long.

He went to Northwestern... graduated in 1992. David, pretty sure that's his first name.   Around 50.   

 

 

 

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Do you think the Trump administration would have a different take on their insistence schools be open , if someone let them know that science was taught at these schools? 

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18 hours ago, The Beast said:

What is communist about Democratic ideas? Why is Devos in the position she is in? Why does she mention school choice instead of finding solutions during a pandemic?

I didn't say democratic, I said democrat.  All you have to do is read definition of communism now and it will make sense. She's done more for teaching underpriveleged children than anyone in government. Just look at her businesseses, look at the philanthropy, and she's been a pioneer in successful private schools that would be open to the entire public under her school voucher plan. School choice would be an awesome solution to our current issue, I won't go so far as to call it a pandemic like you have.

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Dr. Anthony Fauci joins TWiV to discuss SARS-CoV-2 transmission, testing, immunity, pathogenesis, vaccines, and preparedness.

e: if anyone wants to read the og Communist Manifesto, it can be found here. It's a short and important historical document written as the revolutions of 1848 were heating up.

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54 minutes ago, Hawkfan said:

I didn't say democratic, I said democrat.  All you have to do is read definition of communism now and it will make sense. She's done more for teaching underpriveleged children than anyone in government. Just look at her businesseses, look at the philanthropy, and she's been a pioneer in successful private schools that would be open to the entire public under her school voucher plan. School choice would be an awesome solution to our current issue, I won't go so far as to call it a pandemic like you have.

So first of all, what data are you using to support the claim her businesses and philanthropy has done more than anyone in government?  That is a wild claim.

Second, you wouldn't call this a pandemic?  What in the world?  What is your definition of a pandemic and how does this not fit it?

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13 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Millions of Americans have lost employer-sponsored health care coverage since the coronavirus pandemic hit the U.S., causing a recession and widespread job losses.

Nearly half of all Americans receive their health insurance through their employer. And amid coronavirus layoffs, some states have seen a massive uptick in the number of uninsured adults.

According to a report by Families USA, a non-profit public health organization, nine states and the District of Columbia have more than a 30% increase in the number of uninsured from February to May 2020, compared to 2018. Overall, the percentage increase of uninsured in the U.S. is at 21%, with 5.3 million people losing health care coverage between February and May.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/lost-health-insurance-coronavirus-pandemic-125934943.html
 

 

It's almost like having heath insurance tied to having and keeping a FT job is a bad idea and we should come up with a different system...

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17 minutes ago, bigruss said:

So first of all, what data are you using to support the claim her businesses and philanthropy has done more than anyone in government?  That is a wild claim.

Second, you wouldn't call this a pandemic?  What in the world?  What is your definition of a pandemic and how does this not fit it?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/betsy-devos-michigan-school-experiment-232399
He’s wrong on everything.  Look at the record in Michigan.  Or look at her record protecting the interests of financial institutions over borrowers.  Look at how much harder it is to qualify for forbearance.  Look at how many profit machine online schools with little job placement success are being gifted hundreds of millions of dollars in PPP money.  Look at the disproportionate number of ex military as well as black and Hispanic students being taken advantage of by false advertising claims by those online schools.

Some charter schools with billionaires funding them do perform better, but that’s not scalable...the majority struggle financially, have significant corruption issues and siphon off money from public schools.

How would they be open to the entire public?   That’s laughable.

Sure, a voucher for $5000 will magically allow everyone to pay $12500-17500 in tuition.  Brilliant.   It will help maybe 25-30% of middle school parents, perhaps, but the other 70-75% will be MUCH worse off than previously.

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4 hours ago, Hawkfan said:

I didn't say democratic, I said democrat.  All you have to do is read definition of communism now and it will make sense. She's done more for teaching underpriveleged children than anyone in government. Just look at her businesseses, look at the philanthropy, and she's been a pioneer in successful private schools that would be open to the entire public under her school voucher plan. School choice would be an awesome solution to our current issue, I won't go so far as to call it a pandemic like you have.

Devos is an elitist idiot, pure and simple.

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Looks like CPS is proposing a 2-1-2 model. Kids are broken into 2 groups. 1 group goes 2 days, then 1 day of virtual instruction, then group 2 goes 2 days.

Sounds like the Union is resisting. Not sure what else the teachers can expect here. There just is really no feasible way to have 100% virtual instruction right now.  

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