COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

[caulfield12]

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by caulfield12

[turnin' two]

On 8/14/2020 at 11:24 AM, Tony said:

We're still using "probably" at this point? Really? 

Sorry I'm a couple days late here, but I was referring to the post office spokesperson, about whom, I know nothing, so yeah, I thought the probably was warranted.  

[turnin' two]

12 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

That is more deaths than Canada, Indonesia, Germany,  Pakistan or China.

Please be careful with that.  I got "embarrassed" when I compared Illinois to Sweden.  Mostly because of what a great job Illinois is doing...

[Big Hurtin]

😞

[Jose Abreu]

One of the rare times where I'm glad my college doesn't start until October (quarter system). Not that I'll be going to campus anyway, but many are

[Big Hurtin]

Great 😟

[StrangeSox]

 

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by StrangeSox

[Balta1701]

 

[greg775]

On 8/17/2020 at 7:14 PM, Heads22 said:

Iowa has been putting out faulty numbers for weeks.

 

 

Not surprising the country can't simply tell the truth about how many cases of corona there are out there. Sad.

[Quin]

To borrow some phrasing from The Daily Tar Heel, what a predictable and easily foreseen clusterfuck.

[NWINFan]

8 hours ago, Quin said:

To borrow some phrasing from The Daily Tar Heel, what a predictable and easily foreseen clusterfuck.

Powerful editorial and is indictive of how the whole situation has been handled from the start. Political and economic considerations come first, and real decency and leadership are nowhere to be seen. Meanwhile, the situation only worsens.

[turnin' two]

9 hours ago, Quin said:

To borrow some phrasing from The Daily Tar Heel, what a predictable and easily foreseen clusterfuck.

That's the best headline I've ever seen.  Headlines from the Onion excluded.  

[Harry Chappas]

My son is going to campus next week.  It is a small rural setting faith based school.  The information they have sent out and their plan is incredible and may just work.  

The issue is there is no testing before you get to campus.  While they can essentially create a bubble once students arrive there is no way to determine their status upon arrival which is what is hitting these schools. 

[Balta1701]

1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said:

My son is going to campus next week.  It is a small rural setting faith based school.  The information they have sent out and their plan is incredible and may just work.  

The issue is there is no testing before you get to campus.  While they can essentially create a bubble once students arrive there is no way to determine their status upon arrival which is what is hitting these schools. 

If there's one issue they avoided dealing with because it was too tough or expensive...there's probably others. Small School might be the best defense there, there's what a 50/50 chance that if a couple cases arrive, they'll burn themselves out before igniting a chain.

But, rural communities aren't blocked off from this, are they keeping all their employees in the bubble too? Who is delivering food, are they getting an NBA level treatment? All that sorta stuff matters too.

[southsideirish71]

So far this remote learning is awesome.  The public schools around here are sharing the zoom meeting codes between students.  My son was showing me snap videos of the 3 local HS where people are zoom bombing every class, yelling racial slurs, one where a kid was slapping his ass on camera, and another where they streamed a porn.  Great work everyone.  We handed technology to an industry that doesn't understand it and we have an audience that knows more than the teachers.  BTW my son so far this week has spent a grand total of 1.5 hours on a zoom and has had homework. He can go back to his regularly scheduled sleep until the zoom, do his homework and keep sleeping and playing video games.  He will get straight As just like he did before this all started.  But this is exactly what I had feared is going on.   Great work.  And they will remain remote until the fall of 2021 is my guess.  Because if you cant do in person now how exactly are you going to do it when flu season kicks in.  This is a fucking waste.  

[Dick Allen]

32 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

So far this remote learning is awesome.  The public schools around here are sharing the zoom meeting codes between students.  My son was showing me snap videos of the 3 local HS where people are zoom bombing every class, yelling racial slurs, one where a kid was slapping his ass on camera, and another where they streamed a porn.  Great work everyone.  We handed technology to an industry that doesn't understand it and we have an audience that knows more than the teachers.  BTW my son so far this week has spent a grand total of 1.5 hours on a zoom and has had homework. He can go back to his regularly scheduled sleep until the zoom, do his homework and keep sleeping and playing video games.  He will get straight As just like he did before this all started.  But this is exactly what I had feared is going on.   Great work.  And they will remain remote until the fall of 2021 is my guess.  Because if you cant do in person now how exactly are you going to do it when flu season kicks in.  This is a fucking waste.  

I don't understand why it is not better, it seems to be messed up everywhere,  but have you thought of using one of  the homeschooling companies?  It can be a bit pricey, but at least there would be learning, and accountability.

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I don't understand why it is not better, it seems to be messed up everywhere,  but have you thought of using one of  the homeschooling companies?  It can be a bit pricey, but at least there would be learning, and accountability.

Parents aren't willing and/or able to control their kids.  It's sad, but apparently teachers have to risk death because kids can't be controlled.

[southsideirish71]

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

 Parents aren't willing and/or able to control their kids.  It's sad, but apparently teachers have to risk death because kids can't be controlled.

Yeah well I am controlling my kid.  I cant control the other kids and randoms that are entering his virtual class. The teacher has no clue how to control the virtual classroom.  So luckily he gets to watch porn in the class because she cant kick the offending student.  But at least he isn't dying I guess.  There has to be a happy medium.  And this isn't it.  

[StrangeSox]

Sounds like administration failed to give staff proper training on new and unfamiliar tools.

[Balta1701]

10 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

Yeah well I am controlling my kid.  I cant control the other kids and randoms that are entering his virtual class. The teacher has no clue how to control the virtual classroom.  So luckily he gets to watch porn in the class because she cant kick the offending student.  But at least he isn't dying I guess.  There has to be a happy medium.  And this isn't it.  

The Happy Medium was to get this under control in the spring nationwide before the virus became endemic and out of control everywhere. Then, if a school district was in an area with a flare-up, that specific school district could shut down/go virtual for a limited time until the outbreak was under control. It would still have required herculean efforts to limit cases coming through the doors and limit spread when they do, but it could have been done. 

When you're driving towards a cliff, a happy medium is "turning off at any point before you go over the cliff". Once you have gone over the cliff, it's too late to ask for a happy medium.

[southsider2k5]

Just now, StrangeSox said:

Sounds like administration failed to give staff proper training on new and unfamiliar tools.

This is all too true.  Because of all of the idiotic pressure on schools to open up no matter what, they didn't get to do nearly the amount of preparation and trainings that were needed for people unfamiliar with technology to be ready for it.  Any system that looked like they were planning to open virtually had so much ire directed at it, including the possibility of losing funding coming directly from the President, not to mention no funding was dedicated nationally for these sorts of eventualities, that no was willing to step in front of that train and get destroyed for it.

We have half-assed it from the beginning in terms of federal response, and this is just another in a continuing line of disasters that the rest of the world was somehow able to figure out.

[he gone.]

54 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

So far this remote learning is awesome.  The public schools around here are sharing the zoom meeting codes between students.  My son was showing me snap videos of the 3 local HS where people are zoom bombing every class, yelling racial slurs, one where a kid was slapping his ass on camera, and another where they streamed a porn.  Great work everyone.  We handed technology to an industry that doesn't understand it and we have an audience that knows more than the teachers.  BTW my son so far this week has spent a grand total of 1.5 hours on a zoom and has had homework. He can go back to his regularly scheduled sleep until the zoom, do his homework and keep sleeping and playing video games.  He will get straight As just like he did before this all started.  But this is exactly what I had feared is going on.   Great work.  And they will remain remote until the fall of 2021 is my guess.  Because if you cant do in person now how exactly are you going to do it when flu season kicks in.  This is a fucking waste.  

To be honest - doesn't that sound like college? haha. Go to class for an hour - maybe skip it. Drink on Tuesday at noon at the bar. Go to class at 5pm. Surf the internet during class on my laptop. Go home, read the whole book and teach myself everything, ace the standardized test get a 4.0 and get a good job. 

Hell, kind of sounds like work nowadays. Wake up, workout, mow the lawn at 10am, maybe have an afternoon beer with my lunch, go to the grocery store. Work my 8 hours whenever I feel like it, ace my work, be responsive and responsible for myself, and keep climbing the corporate ladder. 

Problem isn't the kids, its the archaic way we teach children. And also the archaic way of thinking that we need to be in cubicles to perform our jobs. 

[StrangeSox]

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

This is all too true.  Because of all of the idiotic pressure on schools to open up no matter what, they didn't get to do nearly the amount of preparation and trainings that were needed for people unfamiliar with technology to be ready for it.  Any system that looked like they were planning to open virtually had so much ire directed at it, including the possibility of losing funding coming directly from the President, not to mention no funding was dedicated nationally for these sorts of eventualities, that no was willing to step in front of that train and get destroyed for it.

We have half-assed it from the beginning in terms of federal response, and this is just another in a continuing line of disasters that the rest of the world was somehow able to figure out.

Right? Today was supposed to be my wife's first day of in-person learning. Until 2 1/2 weeks ago, that was still the plan! Now it is (thankfully) fully remote learning starting next Monday. The HS district where we live was even more short notice after the IDPH put out new guidelines last week. They completely shifted gears over the weekend. So instead of prepping and planning and training and deploying since May or June, they've got a couple of days or weeks to scramble.

[southsideirish71]

 

15 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Sounds like administration failed to give staff proper training on new and unfamiliar tools.

The staff had training in it.  You have geriatrics who barely know how email works trying to use zoom.  Zoom isn't rocket science.  Tip #1, Don't send out the host credentials to the user population like the teacher did.  

[Dick Allen]

36 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Right? Today was supposed to be my wife's first day of in-person learning. Until 2 1/2 weeks ago, that was still the plan! Now it is (thankfully) fully remote learning starting next Monday. The HS district where we live was even more short notice after the IDPH put out new guidelines last week. They completely shifted gears over the weekend. So instead of prepping and planning and training and deploying since May or June, they've got a couple of days or weeks to scramble.

I think the problem was no one was willing to consider worst cast scenerio. And we have worst case scenerio. First we were told this isn't going to bother us at all. Then it was going away quickly. Then it was going away when the weather warmed up. Then it would be fine by Easter, then Pence said by Memorial Day, the Coronavirus will be behind us. I have been working from home since the middle of March. At first I figured 2 or 3 weeks tops and we would be back. Then our CEO send an email saying it looked like June or July until we were all back in the office. Now they said October, staggered and optional. 

I think many of us anticipated a governmental failure, but not of this magnitude. Our response has been one of the worst in the world. And we still have enough people who think if we just deny it exists or isn't a danger, it will go away. 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Dick Allen