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Justin Amash twitter, totally shocking with Mnuchin after what we witnessed from 2008-10, right?

It seems to have gone largely unnoticed that Mnuchin has unilaterally altered the Paycheck Protection Program to substantially reduce loan forgiveness. Law says a business can spend ~50% of the loan on nonpayroll and still receive full forgiveness; Mnuchin says not more than 25%.

To be clear, Mnuchin’s change doesn’t help employees. Law says total pay can’t be reduced by more than 25% of an employee’s full quarter salary or wages. He doesn’t touch this. Regardless, Mnuchin has no authority to change laws. Congress legislates; executive officials execute.

The math is a bit tricky, so I think that’s why many people are not immediately seeing what’s going on here. A covered loan is 2.5x average monthly payroll. The covered period is 8 weeks. Compare the law to Mnuchin.

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1 hour ago, pcq said:

Columbia researchers suggest the virus has been dormant in humans possibly for years. Viral shedding by asymptomatic humans is widespread.  

The White House press conferences are insane and should not be broadcast live. At least one religious leader is suggesting Fauci is trying to undermine Trump. 

I agree that the press conferences should not be live events. Trump just looks totally inept and out of touch. He also attempts to use them for political gain, and no politician should profit from this crisis. But, in the end, the press conferences give little news. We would be better off with summaries.  I don't need to watch Trump bumble his way  through another lame public statement that serves no purpose.

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1 hour ago, The Beast said:

The Bears press conference. Farmer’s death. The Bulls executive search. How sports seasons will look if things get going again. 
 

I can count on my hands how many times I have heard politics from 670 the Score the last few years, it isn’t often. DeCastro absolutely neutered that station and it is mostly sports talk. I would need to have specific examples to understand what you mean and not just general statements about how “liberal” the hosts are or examples from when Goff was on the air. 

Pace and the Bears suck.  The countdown has already begun on Pace’s NFL career.  The Bulls screw up every decision they make.  Farmer’s death?  How much can that be discussed?

Bernstein has sounded off on Trump numerous times in the past until I’m pretty sure The Score management told him to shut up about it.

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13 hours ago, Soxbadger said:

If a law is not just the people who break it should not be punished.

Immigration laws are unjust, they are no different than slavery, laws against interracial marriage, segregation and apartheid. They are born from the same beliefs.

The future will judge those who made them and supported them with the same disdain. We do not have a monopoly on freedom or opportunity.

This country is everyones, and the quicker we kill your ideas the faster we will recover. This whole us and them bullshit got us into this mess.

 

It is your opinion that the law is not just.  Meanwhile, your ridiculous ideas on immigration laws would turn this country into the shit-hole that is China.

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Let’s face it, some don’t want any immigrants from poor countries, or from Islamic countries (even though Iranian-American incomes are in the top 25% on average.)   It’s the Trump vision here.  Beauty queens from Eastern Europe, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark.  They’re okay (after all, he’s anchor immigrated two families, after all.)

This is how we get the current administration attempting to rewrite the Statue of Liberty quote about “give me your poor huddled masses.”  It’s kind of shocking that the New Testament hasn’t been modified to focus primarily on the prosperity Gospels.

One more thing, Moan...you certainly would have blocked one of the most important Founding Fathers, Alexander Hamilton, based on his upbringing as a poverty-stricken bastard on Nevis and St. Croix.   
 

Without Immigrants, the Fortune 500 Would Be the Fortune 284

More than 40 percent (43 percent) of today’s Fortune 500 had a first- or second-generation immigrant among their founders, even though just 14 percent of the U.S. population is foreign-born. Nearly a fifth (18.4 percent) of these companies were founded by first-generation immigrants, and another quarter (24.8 percent) were founded by their children. All told, these 216 immigrant-founded companies accounted for $5.3 trillion in global revenue in 2016 and employ more than 12 million workers worldwide. Immigrant-founded companies make up more than half of the Fortune 25 (52 percent) and Fortune 35 (57 percent).

Rather than preventing people from getting jobs and costing the government money, these immigrants have created an amount of wealth greater than the GDP of Japan, the world’s third-largest economy.  
 

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/12/without-immigrants-the-fortune-500-would-be-the-fortune-284/547421/

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53 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

It is your opinion that the law is not just.  Meanwhile, your ridiculous ideas on immigration laws would turn this country into the shit-hole that is China.

Just to double back to you blaming corrupt businesses that knowingly employ undocumented workers, do you support them facing some sort of legal consequences?

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38 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

It is your opinion that the law is not just.  Meanwhile, your ridiculous ideas on immigration laws would turn this country into the shit-hole that is China.

And in John Calhoun's opinion slavery was good. One opinion will be right in the future, one will be wrong.

Your comparison to China makes no sense, US was built on immigration and has had its greatest economic success during times when it experienced high immigration. Immigration is the US greatest strength and what has allowed our country to rapidly outpace since its inception.

https://www.cato.org/research/immigration

Cato which was founded by the Koch brothers even recognizes the error in immigration policy. 

/shrug 

Restricting immigration is a failed economic policy and that is why Adam Smith argued against the restriction on movement of labor.

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Just now, Quin said:

Just to double back to you blaming corrupt businesses that knowingly employ undocumented workers, do you support them facing some sort of legal consequences?

Knaves like Moan seem to be unaware that every culture needs labor to survive. Mexicans would not be here if there wasn't hard work that needs to get done. This is about business not politics. It doesn't matter whether we like it or not. 

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3 hours ago, The Beast said:

Why? Because there’s actually some debate and some discussion that needs to be had? There’s a lot of good material here to read, I don’t know what makes it “unreadable.”

N/T

 

 

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2 hours ago, NWINFan said:

I agree that the press conferences should not be live events. Trump just looks totally inept and out of touch. He also attempts to use them for political gain, and no politician should profit from this crisis. But, in the end, the press conferences give little news. We would be better off with summaries.  I don't need to watch Trump bumble his way  through another lame public statement that serves no purpose.

He sounds like a dope. Providing summaries of what he “meant” is dishonest. The voting people need to see just how inept he is.

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3 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Pace and the Bears suck.  The countdown has already begun on Pace’s NFL career.  The Bulls screw up every decision they make.  Farmer’s death?  How much can that be discussed?

Bernstein has sounded off on Trump numerous times in the past until I’m pretty sure The Score management told him to shut up about it.

You said there were no freaking sports to discuss. That’s just not true. Live action sure, but there’s still news to discuss. I was giving you examples of what they discussed is all.

I listened to the Bernstein and McKnight show for a while and did not hear anything about Trump, I heard more during the Bernstein and Goff show, which ended in early 2018.

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60 doctors in Italy who claimed to have never gotten sick were tested for antibodies. 40 of them tested positive. That’s terrifying, but overall good news I’d say. 

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7 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

So, the federal government is giving the PPE and ventilators to the private sector to resell to the states, who are fighting against each other for the supplies?  Do I have that right?

Yes. Truly infuriating.

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Doofus is giving update now. Can't complete a sentence without offroading into incoherence despite the fact he is reading.

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17 minutes ago, bmags said:

 

Absolutely rad

Agreed.  As long as he’s not trying to kill or enslave everybody, this is dope. 

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(Keep thinking: I’ve a Masters in Public Health; wrote my doctoral dissertation on global efforts to tackle AIDS pandemic; co-authored a book on global health governance; teach MPH courses on health systems & global health & I’m not qualified to lead a national #covid19 effort.)

 
 
 

 
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S-hole Chinese.....

 

Joe Tsai, the billionaire co-founder of Chinese technology and e-commerce company Alibaba, and his wife Clara Wu Tsai have donated 2.6 million masks (both surgical and KN95), 170,000 goggles and 2,000 ventilators to New York. 

The donations came in two separate shipments: The first arrived at Newark International Airport on April 2 and has already been distributed.

The second shipment, which New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo referenced at his most recent press conference, arrived at John F. Kennedy International Airport on Saturday.

The Tsais have considerable ties to the New York City-metropolitan community. Joe Tsai owns the Brooklyn Nets basketball team and Barclays Center Arena in Brooklyn.

“We kept hearing cries for PPE from our community and wanted to help,” said Clara, who said New York state authorities will allocate the second shipment, but “it’s our intention to help the most under-served institutions.”

Clara cited Jacobi Medical Center and Lincoln Medical Center in the Bronx and Elmhurst Hospital in Queens as the institutions she and her husband thought might need the supplies the most. 

The 2,000 ventilators that were donated are noninvasive, so they are not the type that can be used on patients who are unconscious.  
 

www.cnn.com

 

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56 minutes ago, Flash said:

Doofus is giving update now. Can't complete a sentence without offroading into incoherence despite the fact he is reading.

Watch him when someone else is talking. He stands at the side swinging his arms and swaying back and forth like a six year old in church. 
Sounds like he’s ready to ignore the health experts so we “can get back to work.”

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19 minutes ago, Middle Buffalo said:

Watch him when someone else is talking. He stands at the side swinging his arms and swaying back and forth like a six year old in church. 
Sounds like he’s ready to ignore the health experts so we “can get back to work.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/politics/republican-governors-stay-at-home-orders-coronavirus/index.html
And those holdout governors are still taking their cues straight from the White House and their own often less-experienced public health officials over Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tensions-persist-between-trump-medical-141306900.html

 

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About time someone like Gates is giving *billions*. Meanwhile that asswipe who owns Facebook gave about .06% of his net worth to the cause as if I'm supposed to be impressed, just as the shithead Amazon CEO is asking for help to pay his employees despite being the world's richest man. We'd have a vaccine tomorrow if more people worth north of $30B gave *billions* but no, they're donating a million. Big deal

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Another analogy on the states not issuing stay at home orders.

Would you get onto a plane where there was a smoking section in the back where 4% (let’s say 12-15 passengers) were putting that smoke into the ecosystem and having it recirculate around the plane...? 
 

And still almost writing hydrochloroquine prescriptions when we don’t yet know the side effects when taking it with a cocktail of other drugs...based on purely anecdotal evidence?   WTH?  Especially with those patients with underlying conditions, which could exacerbate them or even lead to death in extreme examples...this is the polar opposite of evidence-based science.

People are now being COVID tested when they get on and off planes?  No evidence that anything close to that is happening.  Mutters a response.

“I don’t know.  Check it out!”   That’s the best we can do here in the US?
 

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10 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

About time someone like Gates is giving *billions*. Meanwhile that asswipe who owns Facebook gave about .06% of his net worth to the cause as if I'm supposed to be impressed, just as the shithead Amazon CEO is asking for help to pay his employees despite being the world's richest man. We'd have a vaccine tomorrow if more people worth north of $30B gave *billions* but no, they're donating a million. Big deal

I mean the gates foundation has been an incredible asset for public health. It’s cool that they are doing this but this should be a us government function. 

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