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4 minutes ago, tray said:

They helped "fund" violent crime ?  Please.

They put money in the pocket of one of the most prolific mobsters in American history. That is 100% fact. 

The Astros won a handful of baseball games more than they should have. 

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Please expound on who you are referring  and which if any of the 1919 White Sox had contact with this mobster.

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On 2/21/2020 at 1:24 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

It's a PR move to get the game national exposure in the middle of a long season where overall exposure to the game feels regional and localized. It's a good move, and has nothing to do with cheating and the average fan will not connect the two what-so-ever.... And Shoeless Joe DID NOT cheat or throw the World Series in the first place.

Those players were grossly unpaid by their cheap, polarizing owner.

Nothing has changed.

My poor White Sox have NEVER been blessed by great ownership.

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On 2/21/2020 at 1:24 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

It's a PR move to get the game national exposure in the middle of a long season where overall exposure to the game feels regional and localized. It's a good move, and has nothing to do with cheating and the average fan will not connect the two what-so-ever.... And Shoeless Joe DID NOT cheat or throw the World Series in the first place.

Shoeless Joe did accept money however.

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On 2/21/2020 at 6:19 PM, Eminor3rd said:

Weird thread

Yea the 1919 White Sox has always been a thorn but anyone who usually brings it up probably knows very little about it and that's no knock on them. It was 100 years ago and the courts and police work and baseball has changed so much as has reporting .

It's probably impossible to know what was in the players heads or how threatened or underpaid they felt. Jackson was illiterate and perhaps got taken advantage into signing a confession he did not understand. Of course the court acquitted them all but new Commish Landis laid down the law since the Sox were the only team punished for what could 've been widespread game fixing.

Too much remains a mystery and it's always been a matter of who you believe at least in Jackson's case.  There are some people still out there fighting for him  but as time marches on it probably won't matter. He will probably remain banned.

Jackson's stats in the 1919 World Series are actually better than his stats from the 1917 World Series that the White Sox won.

His last season played was actually 1920, his age 32 season, so he played a full season after the infamous World Series . He batted .386 in 649 PA, .444 OBP 1.033 OPS 172 OPS+. He also set career highs in HR and Total Bases that year. He struck out 14 times and never struck out more than 42 times in a season  which he did in the year he hit. 408.

https://sabr.org/research/black-sox-scandal-bill-lamb

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