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CPD getting in on the violence, dragging two women from their car and assaulting them, including kneeling on one of their necks.

https://abc7chicago.com/cpd-officers-under-investigation-in-brickyard-mall-incident;-family-to-speak-out/6230816/

 

As for how much we spend on policing vs. social programs, another illustration. This time from LA via an @dril tweet comparison.

 

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What blows my mind is the violence by some police still going on when they have to know everything is being videotaped.  Do they feel invincible?  Are they not concerned about the consequences?  And why aren't the good cops (there are more of them than the bad ones) speaking out?

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52 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

What blows my mind is the violence by some police still going on when they have to know everything is being videotaped.  Do they feel invincible?  Are they not concerned about the consequences?  And why aren't the good cops (there are more of them than the bad ones) speaking out?

  1. They do feel invincible and don't fear consequences. These are deliberate shows of force
  2. Group psychology makes sure the good cops are at best complicit

Here's some more of our boys in blue, this time giving armed white supremacists a heads up that they're about to violently assault and arrest protesters. They try to do it discretely so that they don't "appear to be playing favorites." They similarly let armed white supremacist gangs roam around fishtown in Philly a few days back. What more are they doing across the country that isn't being caught on film?

 

edit: and why would law enforcement be seizing masks?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I love that in this insane proposal that families somehow get less than single people.

Well, I thought the whole point was to encourage marriage/families, so interpreted it as $1 million per person and a bonus of $1 extra million per married family?

Good thing it’s not the Philippines, the average payout would be $7-11 million.  Somehow a system that incentivizes having more children (unless all the money to raise them was held back until 18/21/25, which would make raising them better a bit challenging) seems a bit dubious, at best.

 

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55 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

What blows my mind is the violence by some police still going on when they have to know everything is being videotaped.  Do they feel invincible?  Are they not concerned about the consequences?  And why aren't the good cops (there are more of them than the bad ones) speaking out?

Old habits die hard. This is just how they treat people. 

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2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I love that in this insane proposal that families somehow get less than single people.

I just like doing the abstract math that he presents here like we are shaking change out of our pockets. 

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In this era the good cops are people with cell phones. That's all we have. The Buffalo story is ridiculous. 

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30 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I just like doing the abstract math that he presents here like we are shaking change out of our pockets. 

It’s utter insanity.  I mean, we gave people like $1,200 per eligible person for COVID-19 and that cost us nearly a 1/4 of a trillion dollars.  I believe our Federal revenue is somewhere in the $3M to $4M range per year, so basically a 1/16 of that.

Now give the ~40M African Americans $1M each and well I can’t do that math.  But I think we can just safely assume it would be a bit of a financial problem 😉

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PROTESTER PUSHED TO GROUND BY POLICE IS LONGTIME PEACE ACTIVIST FROM AMHERST

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/buffalo-police-suspended-for-shoving-protester-to-the-ground.html

Video filmed by local radio station WBFO shows the man, identified as Martin Gugino by the group People United for Sustainable Housing Buffalo, stopping to talk to police in riot gear as they begin to clear Niagara Square for the 8 p.m. curfew. As an officer yells “push him back,” one officer extends his arm to shove Gugino, while another pushes a baton into his chest.

 

Can’t wait for this to be labeled fake news since it seems he’s much more sympathetic to liberal causes

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4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It’s utter insanity.  I mean, we gave people like $1,200 per eligible person for COVID-19 and that cost us nearly a 1/4 of a trillion dollars.  I believe our Federal revenue is somewhere in the $3M to $4M range per year, so basically a 1/16 of that.

Now give the ~40M African Americans $1M each and well I can’t do that math.  But I think we can just safely assume it would be a bit of a financial problem 😉

Only $40,000,000,000,000......we could take the national debt from roughly $25 trillion and increase it by 160% in one fell swoop.

I can just imagine the faces of Grover Norquist, Mitch McConnell and the House Freedom Caucus.

According to another online study, 40 Acres and a Mule in current dollars would run around $6.4 trillion. 

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1 hour ago, pcq said:

In this era the good cops are people with cell phones. That's all we have. The Buffalo story is ridiculous. 

Not a single one of them stopped to render aid to a person with blood coming out of his ears.

The cop who shoved him will probably be fired and maybe charged with something since it’s on camera, but not a single one of them demonstrated decency. Why should I trust any of them in any situation? I shouldn’t.

How many thousands of times can I say the same thing about groups of police over the past week?

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Worth remembering that each cop and protester should not be judged by the ones they are standing next to. Smart people do not use stereotypes. 

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You can judge people who choose to be part of these violent organizations who at best turn a blind eye to what goes on around them

Expect to see a whole lot of suspicious charges against protesters and especially organizers. The lawlessness is rampant in departments at every level from coast to coast.

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47 minutes ago, pcq said:

Worth remembering that each cop and protester should not be judged by the ones they are standing next to. Smart people do not use stereotypes. 

Isn't that the exact opposite of the truth for a police officer?

If a police officer sees their colleague beating someone with a club or knocking over an unarmed person and causing blood to pour from their ears and does nothing to intervene or walks past it...shouldn't you judge them for not acting? They literally are supposed to have the authority to do the right thing. 

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31 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Isn't that the exact opposite of the truth for a police officer?

If a police officer sees their colleague beating someone with a club or knocking over an unarmed person and causing blood to pour from their ears and does nothing to intervene or walks past it...shouldn't you judge them for not acting? They literally are supposed to have the authority to do the right thing. 

Each cop is responsible for their own behavior yes. I am not pre-judging. 

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1 hour ago, pcq said:

Worth remembering that each cop and protester should not be judged by the ones they are standing next to. Smart people do not use stereotypes. 

This isnt correct. A protester has no legal authority nor obligation to stop someone from doing something wrong.

Police have an obligation to protect and serve. If they see another police officer breaking the law, they then have an obligation to do something. 

For example, if I pushed down an elderly man in front of a police officer, do you think the police officer should do something?

If I am placing my knee on another persons neck in front of a police officer, do you think the police should do something?

So its absolutely fair to judge a police officer for not doing anything when a crime is being committed. Maybe its not as bad as committing the crime, but its not good either. 

 

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20 minutes ago, pcq said:

Each cop is responsible for their own behavior yes. I am not pre-judging. 

People aren't born police officers. The decision to continue working with these departments, alongside people who are behaving like this, is one you are totally justified in judging.

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8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Why?

There’s clearly no consensus on this issue...and I can hardly imagine Kamala Harris, the Atlanta mayor or Rep. Val Demings will make that a pre-condition of being the Biden VP choice.

Saying it’s going to be part of the Democratic platform any more so than UBI or blanket student loan forgiveness is dubious at best, especially at the numbers you’re bandying about.

 

Btw, the 75 year old in Buffalo was in serious condition overnight in the hospital.  Two police officers suspended so far.

It's apparent to me at least from the debates and the continuing, current state of our country in terms of violent/racist cops, reparations will be an important part of the campaign. Should be interesting to hear Trump explain how he could be against reparations when the other candidate is for significant reparations.

I want to give $1 million to each African American single person and each household because that amount of money is significant. It would make a real difference in their lives and in the economic status of African Americans. If they treat the money wisely (invest, etc.) then the reparations would do what intended. They would (greatly) make up for the past sins and be a nice payment in apology for the horrific thing called slavery.

As far as how much without having so much debt without ruining the country, I need you experts to tell me the math and if my plan COULD be implemented and not wreck the country's economy (I read the previous response with a lot of 0000s in it but no comment on if we could do it and still save the economy). Reparation $$ must be significant, not insultingly low amount.

p.s. I was thinking to help my plan we could have a tax on the upper 5 percent wealth-holders in the country. Not accusing them of needing to pay but to help out. Also maybe a one-time tax on every other American of 1000 dollars or something. Just to help keep down the amount of money we have to print to fulfill my reparation plan. I'd gladly pay the 1000 to make my contribution to this.

And my other suggest ion of the police watchdog position awarded to an African American in every city ... we either abolish police departments or "try" to clean them up" and this is a step in the right direction.

That will be my last post about this ... unless somebody can figure out mathematically how my plan COULD be implemented by simply printing money and dealing with the economic consequences of national debt. In terms of giving African Americans what they deserve I think most would agree it 'should' be a million dollars IF WE COULD make that happen without ruining the economy.

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12 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

People aren't born police officers. The decision to continue working with these departments, alongside people who are behaving like this, is one you are totally justified in judging.

Don't worry, they're resigning en masse!

 

But it's because there's even a tiny amount of accountability for the thugs who violently assaulted a 75 year old peace activist and left him bleeding from his head as they marched on to attack others.

 

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30 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

wow shocked to learn that the police are lying to us yet again??

 

 

 

Police across the country are showing and telling us all exactly who they are. Believe them.

 

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1 hour ago, StrangeSox said:

Don't worry, they're resigning en masse!

 

But it's because there's even a tiny amount of accountability for the thugs who violently assaulted a 75 year old peace activist and left him bleeding from his head as they marched on to attack others.

 

They are still on the force. 

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In case people are keeping track of stupid things that are happening today.

President Trump has strongly condemned kneeling. That is kneeling during the national anthem, not when the police are apprehending a suspect.

The US postal service just released thousands of cloth masks that said "Black Lives Matter", they were held by the Post Office because "These packages were originally set aside for further investigation because there were indications that they contained non-mailable matter,”

It should be pretty clear to everyone that more protests are required and that the federal govt is completely messed up. 

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1 hour ago, Soxbadger said:

In case people are keeping track of stupid things that are happening today.

President Trump has strongly condemned kneeling. That is kneeling during the national anthem, not when the police are apprehending a suspect.

The US postal service just released thousands of cloth masks that said "Black Lives Matter", they were held by the Post Office because "These packages were originally set aside for further investigation because there were indications that they contained non-mailable matter,”

It should be pretty clear to everyone that more protests are required and that the federal govt is completely messed up. 

One wonders if the same orders will go out over mail-in ballots...maybe they’ll argue the ink or paper was dangerous to groups od roving children who were purportedly stealing them from USPS mailboxes “en masse.” 
 


“(Gugino is) a veteran peace activist involved with the Western New York Peace Center and Latin American Solidarity Committee, said Vicki Ross, the center’s executive director.

“I can assure you, Martin is a peaceable person,” Ross said. “There is no way that he was doing anything to accost or hurt. He made a judgment to stay out after the curfew because he feels that our civil liberties are so in danger, which they most certainly are.”

Ross said Gugino has been undergoing chemotherapy for cancer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/75-old-man-shoved-ground-142946876.html

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