southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Quin said: White Sox fans today hearing he's Chris Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) Nobody is comparing Crochet to Chris Sale, the MLB pitcher on a HOF trajectory. They are comparing Crochet to Chris Sale, the 21 year old prospect from FGCU. I think people misuse MLB comps way too much. They're not comparing these kids to fully developed MLB players , but MLB players as prospects at the time they were drafted. Edited June 11, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Nobody is comparing Crochet to Chris Sale, the MLB pitcher on a HOF trajectory. They are comparing Crochet to Chris Sale, the 21 year old prospect from FGCU. I think people misuse MLB comps way too much. They're not comparing these kids to fully developed MLB players , but MLB players as prospects at the time they were drafted. Fans just don't understand how comps work. It's not a statistical comparison. They're not saying this guy is going to have the same exact career as this guy. It's a comparison of his tools and talent level. His body looks like him, he hits like him, he throws like him, etc. They're saying if everything comes together this is who he can be. Baseball people understand it's very rare for everything to come together because baseball is a really really hard game to play and a lot of shit happens along the way to making it to the big leagues and staying there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 Stand in against Crochet https://twitter.com/GarrettCrochet/status/1265441521769340928?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Fans just don't understand how comps work. It's not a statistical comparison. They're not saying this guy is going to have the same exact career as this guy. It's a comparison of his tools and talent level. His body looks like him, he hits like him, he throws like him, etc. They're saying if everything comes together this is who he can be. Baseball people understand it's very rare for everything to come together because baseball is a really really hard game to play and a lot of shit happens along the way to making it to the big leagues and staying there. It's not going to be the final detail, but I would bet you that somewhere along the line in the team's discussions "we were able to keep Sale healthy with this throwing program and if that works for this kid, he's more valuable to us than to most other teams" came up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 This is a pretty big gamble for the Sox. The kids track record is pretty minimal. He added a lot very recently, and hasn't had much time to show it off. This is the kind of kid that could have been a top 3 pick with a 2020 season, or he could have fallen into the middle rounds if he reverted back to his freshman and sophomore seasons. I would be curious, if the Sox didn't pick him, where would Crochet have been picked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is a pretty big gamble for the Sox. The kids track record is pretty minimal. He added a lot very recently, and hasn't had much time to show it off. This is the kind of kid that could have been a top 3 pick with a 2020 season, or he could have fallen into the middle rounds if he reverted back to his freshman and sophomore seasons. I would be curious, if the Sox didn't pick him, where would Crochet have been picked? Given what they wound up doing...the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 Coop is a fan 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 Also this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Given what they wound up doing...the Giants. not in the same stratosphere of discounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Coop is a fan Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!! I love Coop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!! I love Coop. Talk about fun guy to hang around with. I would live to sit within in a bar and let him go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, ptatc said: Talk about fun guy to hang around with. I would live to sit within in a bar and let him go. Come down to Nashville and you can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 21 hours ago, GreenSox said: This is like the third high draft choice that they claimed was supposed to be just like Chris Sale. Ugh. Unfair comparisons/expectations Definitely excited to see him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 11 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Also this Jeez Coop, show a little confidence in the kid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 12:24 AM, Yearnin' for Yermin said: Jeez Coop, show a little confidence in the kid... So those are the 2 choices ? Either compare him to Sale or say he's not Sale to protect the kid from unfair and often misconstrued comparisons and it becomes showing no confidence in the kid ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: So those are the 2 choices ? Either compare him to Sale or say he's not Sale to protect the kid from unfair and often misconstrued comparisons and it becomes showing no confidence in the kid ? Yes, they are. Quite frankly I'm tired of Coop's shit attitude. Give the kid his due and say he will be Chris Sale. Show a little confidence in him damnit. He clearly looks up to Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said: Yes, they are. Quite frankly I'm tired of Coop's shit attitude. Give the kid his due and say he will be Chris Sale. Show a little confidence in him damnit. He clearly looks up to Chris. Not sure if you're being facetious or flippant but you can say good things about him without comparing him to Sale even if there are a few similarities between them. I'm sure Coop was a part of the process that resulted in the Sox taking him. Taking one quote from Cooper where he is trying to take pressure off the kid from those comparison doesn't strike me as a shit attitude. I'm sure he has many good things to say about Crochet. It seems pretty odd to form an opinion based on that quote which leads me to believe you are just being facetious about it. Edited June 18, 2020 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Man he holds that ball hidden for a long time in his windup. He's going to slay lefties for his career let's just hope it's as a long time starter and not closer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I really like the pick more and more. The Sox got a guy who should be a big time weapon for a long time whether it’s as a starter or out of the pen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Crochet has said his favorite restaurant is Olive Garden so, I'm out on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 6:49 PM, chitownsportsfan said: Man he holds that ball hidden for a long time in his windup. He's going to slay lefties for his career let's just hope it's as a long time starter and not closer. There is no question he is going go kill lefties with his slider but law said he struggled with righties because he has no credible third pitch. Law suggested maybe developing a cutter/slider hybrid to combat righties at least once or twice through the lineup which could be easier than developing feel for a change up. Still of course to be a full starter as a lefty he should at least try to develop a change up (straight 12 6 curve would work too but at his arm slot this is likely going to be a slurve which is not effective against righties at all). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Dominikk85 said: There is no question he is going go kill lefties with his slider but law said he struggled with righties because he has no credible third pitch. Law suggested maybe developing a cutter/slider hybrid to combat righties at least once or twice through the lineup which could be easier than developing feel for a change up. Still of course to be a full starter as a lefty he should at least try to develop a change up (straight 12 6 curve would work too but at his arm slot this is likely going to be a slurve which is not effective against righties at all). Thought he already has a plus change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I think that was kelley, crochet does throw a change but is not a viable pro ball pitch yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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