Jack Parkman Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) Does anyone else think that Collins or Mercedes could be traded to an NL team now that they've adopted the DH? Was looking for other people's thoughts on this. There's also the option that they keep Collins in case Encarnacion sucks, which is always a possibility because he's old. Edited June 18, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 You mean keep Yermin in case Encarnacion sucks.. Yermin will have DOUBLE the career WAR Collins will have. You heard it hear first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: You mean keep Yermin in case Encarnacion sucks.. Yermin will have DOUBLE the career WAR Collins will have. You heard it hear first! Who knows? I think the Sox still really like Collins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) Do we know what transactions will be allowed under this agreement? Is it likely there would be some sort of August trade deadline? No trades at all? You'd think it would be hard to get a deal together with no minor leaguers to even scout. You'd be using old information to make a trade, that seems exceptionally risky. If rosters are expanded could it be worth it to carry both, just to see what you have? Edited June 18, 2020 by turnin' two 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Do we know what transactions will be allowed under this agreement? Is it likely there would be some sort of August trade deadline? No trades at all? You'd think it would be hard to get a deal together with no minor leaguers to even scout. You'd be using old information to make a trade, that seems exceptionally risky. If rosters are expanded could it be worth it to carry both, just to see what you have? I bet they do a quick trade deadline. After 30 games, no more trading or something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Yermin may be a better hitter than EE today. You gotta keep him in case EE flops. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Why though? Who would be spending resources for a rookie one dimensional DH? Maybe as a piece of a bigger deal, but I don't see anyone knocking down the door for either of these guys as a DH., 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Why though? Who would be spending resources for a rookie one dimensional DH? Maybe as a piece of a bigger deal, but I don't see anyone knocking down the door for either of these guys as a DH., If we go to universal DH this year and next, I do not think we will ever see a pitcher bat again. I think GMs will realize that. But I agree, may not be much value had since they haven't proved it at the MLB level and all teams probably believe they have a similar person. However they're all wrong, because Yermin is a top 5 future DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 man Collins is not as bad of a catcher as some people make him out to be. He is a below ave catcher. He is not the butcher Mercedes is. He more than acceptable to catch 30-40 games in a regular season. And if he hits in the bigs he will be a very valuable piece to have. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 And if the go to an automated strike zone it further negates his weakness, which is receiving... Ive heard he call a good game and controls the base paths 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, yesterday333 said: man Collins is not as bad of a catcher as some people make him out to be. He is a below ave catcher. He is not the butcher Mercedes is. He more than acceptable to catch 30-40 games in a regular season. And if he hits in the bigs he will be a very valuable piece to have. but do you want your backup to be a bad defender? I feel like it's often the opposite. You want a good defensive backup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 If you get a decent offer I would be open for a trade but I'm not sure you get a lot for either as neither has shown much in the majors. Also the time of the full time DH is really over, with 12 and 13 men pitching staffs most teams like to have more flexible players and rotate players through DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: If you get a decent offer I would be open for a trade but I'm not sure you get a lot for either as neither has shown much in the majors. Also the time of the full time DH is really over, with 12 and 13 men pitching staffs most teams like to have more flexible players and rotate players through DH. But with rosters also expanding, keeping a full-time DH could be more practical again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Chances are the roster could be as big as thirty; it's literally the perfect scenario to give him a shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 They’ll both be on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: They’ll both be on the roster. That's certainly possible, Catcher,DH and 1st base among Abreu, McCann, Grandal ,Encarnacion Collins and Mercedes . I suppose Vaughn isn't in serious consideration. So if it's 30, 3 spots go to pitchers ? Madrigal gets a spot ? Who is most likely of the 5 extra spots assuming it is 5 which might not be the case when you talk about owners paying 5 more guys. Edited June 19, 2020 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 6 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That's certainly possible, Catcher,DH and 1st base among Abreu, McCann, Grandal ,Encarnacion Collins and Mercedes . I suppose Vaughn isn't in serious consideration. So if it's 30, 3 spots go to pitchers ? Madrigal gets a spot ? Who is most likely of the 5 extra spots assuming it is 5 which might not be the case when you talk about owners paying 5 more guys. There's also a taxi squad too where I think these guys are more likely to land. Maybe not carry 1 but probably not both on active roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 80 games start tomorrow 40 man squads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 9 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That's certainly possible, Catcher,DH and 1st base among Abreu, McCann, Grandal ,Encarnacion Collins and Mercedes . I suppose Vaughn isn't in serious consideration. So if it's 30, 3 spots go to pitchers ? Madrigal gets a spot ? Who is most likely of the 5 extra spots assuming it is 5 which might not be the case when you talk about owners paying 5 more guys. Actually he could be. If Vaughn or even Madrigal would have been a prime AAA candidate in 2020 and most likely a 2021 major leaguer and MLB decides there will be no AAA season, maybe that riases a question. Would Vaughn or Madrigal be better as the 30th guy on the roster than someone who could literally lose a year of just practicing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 16 hours ago, SCCWS said: Actually he could be. If Vaughn or even Madrigal would have been a prime AAA candidate in 2020 and most likely a 2021 major leaguer and MLB decides there will be no AAA season, maybe that riases a question. Would Vaughn or Madrigal be better as the 30th guy on the roster than someone who could literally lose a year of just practicing. Vaughn is certainly already better than the 30th guy, that is not the question. The question is like I have said in my other thread is whether you are willing to lose a year of service time with him by bringing him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 4:30 AM, Dominikk85 said: Vaughn is certainly already better than the 30th guy, that is not the question. The question is like I have said in my other thread is whether you are willing to lose a year of service time with him by bringing him up. The answer to that is a pretty obvious no, IMO. Already ton me of dudes for 1B and DH at bats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 3:30 PM, yesterday333 said: man Collins is not as bad of a catcher as some people make him out to be. He is a below ave catcher. He is not the butcher Mercedes is. He more than acceptable to catch 30-40 games in a regular season. And if he hits in the bigs he will be a very valuable piece to have. Collins is probably only below average because he's awful at receiving pitches and framing. He's average behind the plate and has an above average arm. If they do go to the automated strike zone, his disadvantages become minimized and Grandal's advantages do as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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