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1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Unless the Sox were going to dick him around and deny him the full year of service time; as I said, at which point he should sit out.

What should he do when they dick him around and deny him the full year of service next year?

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1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said:

What should he do when they dick him around and deny him the full year of service next year?

I can totally understand the players anger there if they said he'd be taxi squad for awhile and I don't blame him if he chose to skip 2020 in retaliation. No one is entitled to anything. The team doesn't have to give up a strategic benefit and he doesn't have to give up retaliation which could harm the team in 2020. The team isn't entitled to avoiding that.

Ultimately the team has to weigh the service time benefit against any long term harm with the player. How good do u think he will be? If you project him as a star its a problem cause he will remember and sign elsewhere because many people will be rushing to pay him but if he's just ok then the benefit might outweigh the harm. Its a cold analysis but it is what it is.

As I said tho I have zero problem with the idea of the player retaliating. I would totally do that too. 

If this is what occurred (and I have no clue if it was or if it was something else) the Sox gambled and he called their bluff.

 

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Bad day, looking for a way home,
Looking for the great escape.

Gets in his car and drives away,
Far from all the things that we are.

Puts on a smile and breathes it in...
And breathes it out, he says,
Bye bye bye to all of the noise.

Oh, he says, bye bye bye to all of the noise.

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Godspeed, Michael Kopech.  May you continue to enjoy the complete and borderline cultish deference and goodwill you somehow managed to earn over your four mlb starts.

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16 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

Godspeed, Michael Kopech.  May you continue to enjoy the complete and borderline cultish deference and goodwill you somehow managed to earn over your four mlb starts.

From a fan's perspective, he's completely unreliable like Rodon at this point. Anything you get is gravy. 

I don't blame him at all for sitting out from an intellectual perspective. From a meathead fan perspective, he's unreliable. 

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4 hours ago, Soxfest said:

2021 arm should be full go 

It was full go 10 months ago.

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I have to think this is a legitimate personal issue. Right? Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense. 

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38 minutes ago, Richie said:

I have to think this is a legitimate personal issue. Right? Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense. 

fegan made a reference also to what his role would be....maybe service time or maybe bullpen (or both) were a factor in addition to other stuff.

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Just now, SoCalChiSox said:

f**an made a reference also to what his role would be....maybe service time or maybe bullpen (or both) were a factor in addition to other stuff.

Thanks, yeah. I should have read the thread before posting a reaction/question. 

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2 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

I don't blame him at all for sitting out from an intellectual perspective.  

How's that? 

Seems like a retaliation move. 

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Talk to me, so you can see... Oh, what's going on... What's going on... Yeah, what's going on?

Ah, what's going on?

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13 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

Fans of Vanessa Morgan apparently think that they are getting a divorce. None of her social media posts recently have involved him.

Hope whatever it is he finds peace with it and this gives him enough time to clear his mind and come back next February.

Poor kid is a mess. I was very surprised he got married so soon after a breakup . It was like the girl he married was a rebound chick. You never marry a rebound chick. Now she's pregnant, maybe a divorce, his mental issues, coming back from major arm surgery, Covid and BLM weighing on his mind.

 

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13 hours ago, ptatc said:

If this is true, I would really worry about him for the future. He's already had twice as much time as normal for rehab.

That's what I was thinking. He had already pitched an inning this spring and threw it 101 , 3 up 3 down. Maybe he was really sore after that and subsequent throwing sessions didn't go well.

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13 hours ago, mqr said:

This thread is getting into some seriously weird territory. None of these guys opting out owe anyone shit

Really appreciate you being the conscience of Sox talk but this is what you do on a message board. Stuff happens to an important player and we speculate because there is nothing definitive . Sucks we all sound like a bunch of gossipy old hens but if we don't do it here we're going to do it with our friends so might as well do it here too.

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Kopech is a flake. He Dawgs reality TV babes. He needs a mentor with enforcement authority. We don't need him this year but he needs to clear out his head going forward. 

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13 hours ago, EloyJenkins said:

Bummed. But mostly because this means Sox have to win a world series this year with Cease as their #3 starter...

Honestly with the reports of rodon really being healthy this time...Kopech was gonna have to really scrape for a spot on the rotation. 

Is it safe to say:

Gio

Keuchel

Cease

Rodon

Gio

Lopez long man and is injury replacement? 

That rotation can still win the division with 35 wins

 

There's not a chance Lopez isn't in the rotation. After Keuchel, Gonzalez and Giolito he is the only one with at least a full year of starting under his belt and should be in the rotation. Why screw with him ? He still has plenty of upside as a starter. You can't judge him or put him in long relief just because he hasn't been an All-Star before he was 26 years old. Rodon coming off rehab no innings in ST, Cease inexperience, Gonzalez got nothing done is ST due to shoulder. It's going to be Giolito, Keuchel Cease Lopez and the 5th spot a toss up between Gonzalez and Rodon, with a slight edge to Gonzalez.

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13 hours ago, ptatc said:

If this is true, I would really worry about him for the future. He's already had twice as much time as normal for rehab.

With all do respect, this kind of doctor talk drives me insane. You're not kopech. You don't know how he feels. You also proclaiming if a guy isnt over an injury in less than 2 years then his career is over and he never will be the same drives me nuts. As if the timeline you set for a stranger in your head is the only way recovery is possible.

This is eerily reminiscent of the Derrick rose nonsense I read from "doctors." 

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9 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

From a fan's perspective, he's completely unreliable like Rodon at this point. Anything you get is gravy. 

I don't blame him at all for sitting out from an intellectual perspective. From a meathead fan perspective, he's unreliable. 

Don't ever stop over-exaggerating Jack

definitely a lot of armchair psychology going on for a guy making a sound decision in the name of health.  Would I like him to play?  Yes.  Am I mad? Absolutely not.   This is a completely unique situation and year, unlike anything we have seen in over 100 years.  

 

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11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

With all do respect, this kind of doctor talk drives me insane. You're not kopech. You don't know how he feels. You also proclaiming if a guy isnt over an injury in less than 2 years then his career is over and he never will be the same drives me nuts. As if the timeline you set for a stranger in your head is the only way recovery is possible.

This is eerily reminiscent of the Derrick rose nonsense I read from "doctors." 

That's fine but it doesnt change facts. If his elbow isn't ready after twice the normal time of rehab, there is a serious problem. Healing isn't an opinion.  It's a physical process. He very well may not be ready but if not it's a serious problem. 

I dont know what you are referring to about Rose but the only people that questions about it didnt know that he had two different type of surgeries on his knees. One takes months to rehab, the other only a few weeks. 

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I will say Lopez is the real winner in all of this.  Giolito, Cease, & Keuchel are rotation locks.  I think Lopez would have no doubt started the season in the rotation but now has a lot more breathing room with one less threat to his spot.  Hopefully he takes advantage of this opportunity.

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1 minute ago, ptatc said:

That's fine but it doesnt change facts. If his elbow isn't ready after twice the normal time of rehab, there is a serious problem. Healing isn't an opinion.  It's a physical process. He very well may not be ready but if not it's a serious problem. 

I dont know what you are referring to about Rose but the only people that questions about it didnt know that he had two different type of surgeries on his knees. One takes months to rehab, the other only a few weeks. 

Has nothing to do with being ready physically; seems to be discomfort mentally with an unorthodox and unusual process/camp and season. 

If he doesn't feel comfortable yet, or with this season in particular, it's his career and he should do what he feels is best for it.

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7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Has nothing to do with being ready physically; seems to be discomfort mentally with an unorthodox and unusual process/camp and season. 

If he doesn't feel comfortable yet, or with this season in particular, it's his career and he should do what he feels is best for it.

I never said anything to the contrary. Of course he can and should do what he feels is best. My only point was if it's related to just the rehab of his elbow, its trouble. If it's because he doesn't like the role they wanted for him, that's another story.

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I am not going to pass judgement on Kopech because like everyone else I have no idea what is happening to or with him. But from the very beginning, I have not liked the way he was handled. There was way too much hype and he was being touted as a savior before he threw one major league pitch. Regardless, I am not expecting much from him.

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20 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Don't ever stop over-exaggerating Jack

definitely a lot of armchair psychology going on for a guy making a sound decision in the name of health.  Would I like him to play?  Yes.  Am I mad? Absolutely not.   This is a completely unique situation and year, unlike anything we have seen in over 100 years.  

 

I'm not even mad. I don't blame anyone for sitting out. Hell if you read my posts I don't even think they should be playing. That's the intellectual side. It's why I qualified it with the "meathead fan's perspective" 

I was speaking strictly as a meathead fan there and nothing else. It will have been 700+ days since Kopech last pitched the next time he takes the mound. Who says he's even able to contribute to the MLB club in 2021? He's had issues with command/walks in the past so.....

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