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5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

You guys don't get it. Madrigal is unconventional in modern baseball. I want him to succeed, I really do. 

They're going to adjust to him and bring the RF in really shallow. Gonna be interesting to see what happens then. 

As with Giolito, let's just enjoy the success of one game without worrying too much about the next one.

He's been the best hitter in his class ever since the last two years of high school/Team USA, the best pure college hitter at Oregon State, he's a smart hitter and will make the adjustments he needs to.  He's the last player I'm really worried about of the young core going forward.

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1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

As with Giolito, let's just enjoy the success of one game without worrying too much about the next one.

He's been the best hitter in his class ever since the last two years of high school/Team USA, the best pure college hitter at Oregon State, he's a smart hitter and will make the adjustments he needs to.  He's the last player I'm really worried about of the young core going forward.

Yeah, he is a 3 WAR player. He doesn’t have a superstar ceiling, but that’s plenty good. People have this idea that 4th overall picks are automatic superstars

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10 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said:

Yeah, he is a 3 WAR player. He doesn’t have a superstar ceiling, but that’s plenty good. People have this idea that 4th overall picks are automatic superstars

It’s insane when people say “you don’t draft that type of player at #4”.  It’s the worst comment you can see.  If you go look at the past #4 picks they are pure dogshit.  
 

So anything above pure dogshit is actually really good, historically. 

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Good game from Madrigal.

I agree compeletly with Harold here.

I think he's David Eckstein.  I hope he's better.  I understand that most players drafted anywhere do not make it, but I think they did miss the chance to develop a higher ceiling player.

If there's a real difference maker available, then I would trade him.  Otherwise, what's done is done, and he's here now, so I hope he's an above average everyday player.

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1 hour ago, Jerksticks said:

It’s insane when people say “you don’t draft that type of player at #4”.  It’s the worst comment you can see.  If you go look at the past #4 picks they are pure dogshit.  
 

So anything above pure dogshit is actually really good, historically. 

You are not drafting experienced MLB players in the draft.  The Rule 4 draft isn't Free Agency.  Nobody really knows what they are getting which is why typically you shoot for ceiling and get burned, rather than shooting for floor and risking being burned when the player with the higher ceiling you thought hard about but passed on, makes it in another organization.

In fairness to MLB execs however, there is no ability to trade down in the draft.  It kind of forces execs to do things at places they might not want to in a perfect world.  Maybe if Madrigal is the guy you like most at 4, and you aren't crazy about it, you'd otherwise trade down to pick up an additional asset.

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A career WAR of 10 is about average for a #4 pick. If Nick can manage 2 WAR per season, that would be a successful pick. 

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41 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

I would say that's a lack of understanding how the baseball draft works. 

It’s just simplifying it.  The goal of the draft is to get really good baseball players that help your team.  
 

It’s easy to win Ceiling Trophies in the draft.  Pretty much every guy drafted outside of college seniors is a ceiling guy.  
 

Either you convert drafts into WAR or you don’t. 
 

Madrigal’s ceiling is actually through the roof as one of the most unique players in the game.  He’s a weird case.  

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1 hour ago, Jerksticks said:

It’s just simplifying it.  The goal of the draft is to get really good baseball players that help your team.  
 

It’s easy to win Ceiling Trophies in the draft.  Pretty much every guy drafted outside of college seniors is a ceiling guy.  
 

Either you convert drafts into WAR or you don’t. 
 

Madrigal’s ceiling is actually through the roof as one of the most unique players in the game.  He’s a weird case.  

I like Madrigal and did not object to our drafting him at the time, but this has to be a massive exaggeration.

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2 hours ago, Baker said:

A career WAR of 10 is about average for a #4 pick. If Nick can manage 2 WAR per season, that would be a successful pick. 

I know some are down on Madrigal, just like the year of his draft when he didn't destroy the minors that first half season, but you're talking a Carlos Sanchez ceiling at only a 2ish fWAR per season.

That's setting the bar intentionally low IMO.

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51 minutes ago, oldsox said:

I like Madrigal and did not object to our drafting him at the time, but this has to be a massive exaggeration.

It's not wrong at all, if you're solely measuring by WAR, you might take offense.

Besides defense and baserunning, he's going to be like a captain on the field, along with Timmy Anderson.

He's instantly our brightest baseball PLAYER before the first week of the season is over, and that's going to rub off on the rest of his teammates.

Battling in his at-bats and not striking out.

Always knowing the situation, where to throw the ball, correct fundamentals....imagining the potential players before they even happen.

Otherwise, without players like that, we're just a collection of really talented players throw together, but he's going to be the glue that holds everything together.  He has been a winner/around winning organizations (like Oregon State and Team USA) every since his middle teens.

Best bunter and situational hitter.   Capable of getting 15-25 steals per season, roughly, mostly through getting great reads/breaks on the pitchers.

Not all of these can easily be captured by traditional metrics, but they will be measured in wins and losses just as accurately as analytics.

 

163 628 101 194 34 5 4 71 43 19 51 21 16 2 8 2 14 .309 .371 .398 .769

 

Those are his minor league totals...in 2021, 25-30 doubles, 4-6 triples, 3-5 homers....everything but the 43 stolen bases are realistic projections.

As long as he's in the 725-775 OPS range, he'll be an above average major league player for all the reasons I listed above.    

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6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

They need more opportunities to compare Chicago and KC steakhouses and BBQ joints.

Of course, Kansas Citians think of Cheesecake Factory and Ruth's Chris as elegant, so pretty sure Chicago wins that argument.    Well, the steaks, not BBQ.

I'm from Chicago South Side, but I really don't like Cheesecake Factory (on trips to Boulder my friend always made me go there, overpriced and not great and now closed); and I don't like expensive steak houses either. Give me Kansas Speedway buffet anyday (pre COVID of course) or Green Valley Ranch buffet in Vegas anytime. I also despise Red Lobster type places and Applebees types. You hit it. Any of KC's BBQ joints are fine for me. And believe it or not, Lawrence has an excellent BBQ joint.

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7 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Signing Abreu to a longer-term deal really limited our flexibility to move Jimenez there.   That's the worst part of that deal, not being able to DH him more often...and also blocking Vaughn, obviously.

I know, I know "team leader/clubhouse chemistry."

 

Last ball that Soler hit at Robert was 111 exit velo.    

I love that one dugout camera shot after Eloy got his fourth hit yesterday. Abreu was major league happy for him. Abreu needs to start elevating like you say, but he's nice to have around and he had a great series with the mitt u must admit. Actually he got the hit that broke the 2-2 tie today and he made that play on that smash to first in game one in the ninth with us up 3-2. Coulda been a double with no outs.

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

It's not wrong at all, if you're solely measuring by WAR, you might take offense.

Besides defense and baserunning, he's going to be like a captain on the field, along with Timmy Anderson.

He's instantly our brightest baseball PLAYER before the first week of the season is over, and that's going to rub off on the rest of his teammates.

Battling in his at-bats and not striking out.

Always knowing the situation, where to throw the ball, correct fundamentals....imagining the potential players before they even happen.

Otherwise, without players like that, we're just a collection of really talented players throw together, but he's going to be the glue that holds everything together.  He has been a winner/around winning organizations (like Oregon State and Team USA) every since his middle teens.

Best bunter and situational hitter.   Capable of getting 15-25 steals per season, roughly, mostly through getting great reads/breaks on the pitchers.

Not all of these can easily be captured by traditional metrics, but they will be measured in wins and losses just as accurately as analytics.

 

163 628 101 194 34 5 4 71 43 19 51 21 16 2 8 2 14 .309 .371 .398 .769

 

Those are his minor league totals...in 2021, 25-30 doubles, 4-6 triples, 3-5 homers....everything but the 43 stolen bases are realistic projections.

As long as he's in the 725-775 OPS range, he'll be an above average major league player for all the reasons I listed above.    

Is this post satirical? This is crap. You don't know that yet.

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1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

how am I more sober than you caufiield at this hour?

madrigal is a nice player.  his shit isn't unicorn technicolor.

Probably because it's 140 p.m. Monday afternoon in Wuhan, China, lol...

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38 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Probably because it's 140 p.m. Monday afternoon in Wuhan, China, lol...

How are things there nowadays, by the way?

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2 hours ago, hi8is said:

How are things there nowadays, by the way?

Trying to figure out how to go back to school in less than 2 weeks with roughly 40% of our teaching staff unable to return to China until at least 2-3 weeks into the new semester...and, even then, still lost 13-14 teachers, 4 waiting to return and 16 back, 3 new hires, it's going to be incredibly crazy/hectic/chaotic/disorganized.

AT BEST.    With pictures of the social distancing rooms, it would double the number of classes we need to cover or students could only be in school half-time, which parents will definitely balk at since no cases here over the last couple of months.

Even when to first movie in theatre since January, JoJo Rabbit, 1917 is coming out Friday and "Deadshot" (whatever the film with Vin Diesel where he comes back as AI-enhanced robo-soldier) is another top choice, lol.

They're even re-showing Interstellar.

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