Capital G Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I'd really like to sign someone like Scooter that can play OF and 2nd. Good depth move and he's gotta be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, Capital G said: I'd really like to sign someone like Scooter that can play OF and 2nd. Good depth move and he's gotta be cheap. It would probably take him 2-3 weeks to be in "game condition," though. Guess it just depends on what he has been doing everyday in the last 8 months or so. Same with a guy like Dozier who was released over the summer camp (SD). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asindc Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I tore my labrum 7 years ago at age 52. Took a little more than 2 months of PT, but no surgery was needed. There were lingering effects for awhile but I eventually got past those. The big difference, of course, is that I’m not trying to hit major league pitching or turn double plays from the 2nd base position, even on an amateur level. I imagine that Avi and Bryant might still be suffering lingering effects because they cannot realistically wait long enough for the last 1-2% to heal completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 He's currently being listed as "day to day" on the fantasy league pages....take it for what it's worth. The team says he injured his left shoulder on the play, and that he would be re-evaluated Wednesday by team physicians in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Didn't Brent Morel play through a labrum tear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFrankSoxFan Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 35 minutes ago, asindc said: I tore my labrum 7 years ago at age 52. Took a little more than 2 months of PT, but no surgery was needed. There were lingering effects for awhile but I eventually got past those. The big difference, of course, is that I’m not trying to hit major league pitching or turn double plays from the 2nd base position, even on an amateur level. I imagine that Avi and Bryant might still be suffering lingering effects because they cannot realistically wait long enough for the last 1-2% to heal completely. Also they are not 52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: It would probably take him 2-3 weeks to be in "game condition," though. Guess it just depends on what he has been doing everyday in the last 8 months or so. Same with a guy like Dozier who was released over the summer camp (SD). Did MLB ever set up that camp of free agents that teams could scout and sign? I heard about it once or twice before the season then never again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, username said: To the Avi post above, I gotta say I’d actually be much more concerned about a labrum than any other outcome. I get that a wrist can be problematic (see Carlos Quentin) but the labrum recovery seems longer and trickier. Madrigal already struggles to drive the ball (as we all know) - and a labrum tear can really sap your power for a year + even if otherwise functional. Avi, Kris Bryant, etc. are a few that have cited it as a lingering issue. Also speaking from experience here, as I tore my labrum senior year of high school and played through it...yeah I’m sure nobody cares. That would be concerning but it is more concerning if you hurt your dominant arm shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 In fact, shoulder injuries have developed a reputation for having a power-sapping effect on many hitters in their first season back—an effect that was thrust into the spotlight after Matt Kemp struggled upon returning from labrum surgery. The problem that Kemp, and many other hitters have run into, is regaining their previous mechanics with a weak and untrustworthy shoulder after a season off. As important as it is to rebuild strength, relearning swing mechanics can prove the most challenging part of the rehabilitation process, especially when the injury is to the lead shoulder in a swing (unfortunately, this is the case for Bird). So while a hitter returning from any long-term injury carries a decent level of risk, one on his way back from shoulder (or labrum) surgery is particularly hard to evaluate. Trying to use Bird’s 2015 to project his 2017 might largely be pointless, since his performance will hinge more on that shoulder than it will his true talent level. With that in mind, it may be most helpful to use past examples of labrum tears to form an expectation for Bird. Should we expect a significant offensive downtick, with less power? Or could more than a full year of rehab (and at-bats in the Arizona Fall League, which have gone very well so far) be enough for Bird to regain his previous form? To find a solid precedent for Bird, I looked at every batter that underwent labrum surgery from 2007 to 2015 and proceeded to log at least 50 games the following season. Unfortunately, there weren’t many examples—17 to be specific. I looked at their performance (measured by wRC+ for overall offensive value and slugging percentage for power output) the season before their surgery, and recorded the same metrics for the two seasons (if available) following the surgery. Among the 17 examples, I didn’t find a strong correlation between pre- and post-injury output. On average, batters didn’t see their offensive output tick down at all in their first or second seasons back. In fact, their wRC+ and SLG marks stayed fairly consistent. That doesn’t mean all batters had fairly steady production, though. The lack of correlation points toward a fairly wide variance among each hitter. Some, such as Adam LaRoche and Coco Crisp actually improved, while others, like Hanley Ramirez and Luke Scott, stayed relatively steady, and an unlucky bunch, including Matt Kemp and Melvin Upton Jr., struggled in their first year back. https://www.pinstripealley.com/yankees-analysis-sabermetrics/2016/10/14/13281438/yankees-greg-bird-injury-shoulder-labrum-surgery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: That would be concerning but it is more concerning if you hurt your dominant arm shoulder. Sure, for a pitcher and middle infielder throwing with high stress, no doubt. But hitting-wise, it's the lead (left shoulder) for a right-handed batter that is most impacted. And obviously, the opposite, right shoulder for a LHB. Edited August 5, 2020 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Que jeopardy theme song... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 That mechanism is really odd for a shoulder injury. Looked more like an elbow. The most common should injury with the arm out like that is an AC separation or an inferior subluxation. Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Play Leury and have him take extra infield every day. He's not a bad ballplayer. Hope for the best in RF with Mazura/Delmonico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, greg775 said: Play Leury and have him take extra infield every day. He's not a bad ballplayer. Hope for the best in RF with Mazura/Engle. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Seems odd there’s been no update yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, fathom said: Seems odd there’s been no update yet? Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, fathom said: Seems odd there’s been no update yet? That doesn't seem like a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Would hate to lose to Basabe for nothing...hope he comes back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: That doesn't seem like a good sign. With lineup being posted later than usual, would make one think there’s a transaction or two that’s being made (promotion/DL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: That doesn't seem like a good sign. I would take it as a good sign. I think if Madrigal and EE were obviously out, a line up and roster would be pretty easy to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, fathom said: Seems odd there’s been no update yet? Ricky said he expects Rodon to play again this year. That's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, fathom said: Seems odd there’s been no update yet? Rosters go to 28 tomorrow. They may well be waiting a day to DL them to take care of the 2 lost spots, instead of calling 2 up, to send them down tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 His doctor's office first asked him all the Covid screening questions then suggested a telemed visit or delaying seeing the doctor for six months. Wait that's what happens to the rest of us . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Rosters go to 28 tomorrow. They may well be waiting a day to DL them to take care of the 2 lost spots, instead of calling 2 up, to send them down tomorrow. I keep expecting MLB to announce delaying the cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, Texsox said: I keep expecting MLB to announce delaying the cut. They already compromised by not going to 26 later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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