Dominikk85 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Looked up some stat ranks in the AL by the sox. As of today Hitting Bb%: 7.2 (12th) K%: 24.8 (11th) Iso: .163 (12th) Wrc+: 105 (5th) Babip: .317 (1st) Pitching K%: 23.2 (7th) Bb%: 9.0 (9th) Hr/9: 1.28 (9th) Fip: 4.3 (8th) Era: 4.26 (9th) Overall pretty middle of the road albeit with 8 playoff teams that could be enough. Hitting bad k to bb rate is no surprise of course. Babip could regress but I expect power to get better with tim back and EE and jose getting better in the second half which they often do albeit it is not guaranteed at their age. Pitching is probably about right albeit there are guys who could improve or get healthy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 shockingly those numbers look very .500 team-ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Where do they rank in 1st inning runs allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Without looking, who is far and away the worst base runner in baseball this year in terms of fWAR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, fathom said: Without looking, who is far and away the worst base runner in baseball this year in terms of fWAR? https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2020&month=0&season1=2020&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2020-01-01&enddate=2020-12-31&sort=19,d&page=5_30 Abreu and Grandal being listed as two worst... Luis Robert 19th in fWAR (0.9). Leaders, Yaz and Tatis, Jr., tied at 1.7, 0.3 clear of Betts and 0.5 ahead of Br.Lowe (TB). Edited August 16, 2020 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Take out the qualifying at bats to see who it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 4 hours ago, fathom said: Without looking, who is far and away the worst base runner in baseball this year in terms of fWAR? Lol at without looking...you’re hunting for reasons to hate on Madrigal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Dominikk85 said: Looked up some stat ranks in the AL by the sox. As of today Hitting Bb%: 7.2 (12th) K%: 24.8 (11th) Iso: .163 (12th) Wrc+: 105 (5th) Babip: .317 (1st) Pitching K%: 23.2 (7th) Bb%: 9.0 (9th) Hr/9: 1.28 (9th) Fip: 4.3 (8th) Era: 4.26 (9th) Overall pretty middle of the road albeit with 8 playoff teams that could be enough. Hitting bad k to bb rate is no surprise of course. Babip could regress but I expect power to get better with tim back and EE and jose getting better in the second half which they often do albeit it is not guaranteed at their age. Pitching is probably about right albeit there are guys who could improve or get healthy again. You may want to redo the offensive ones after yesterday’s spectacular effort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Lol at without looking...you’re hunting for reasons to hate on Madrigal. Truth be told, I was looking at the WAR for everyone on the team and the -2.4 was such an outlier that I looked around the league to see where it ranked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, fathom said: Truth be told, I was looking at the WAR for everyone on the team and the -2.4 was such an outlier that I looked around the league to see where it ranked. Fair enough...just no way anyone would have thought Madrigal would have been the worst baserunner in baseball after five games. Clearly a couple bad plays (including the one he got injured on) driving that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Fair enough...just no way anyone would have thought Madrigal would have been the worst baserunner in baseball after five games. Clearly a couple bad plays (including the one he got injured on) driving that. Next worse is Carlos Santana, who looked like Carl Lewis scoring from first on a double against the Sox last Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, fathom said: Take out the qualifying at bats to see who it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Are you actually a Sox fan? Seems like you are more of a prospect junkie would actually like to see Madrigal fail because he wasn’t one of your guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 17 hours ago, Dominikk85 said: Overall pretty middle of the road albeit with 8 playoff teams that could be enough. You're generous: 8 of the 10 are below the mean, and the one that is #1 (BABIP - i.e. luck) suggests that things will get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, GreenSox said: You're generous: 8 of the 10 are below the mean, and the one that is #1 (BABIP - i.e. luck) suggests that things will get worse. BABIP <> automatically mean luck and our team should always be high BABIP due to the profiles of our hitters. Also, Statcast seems to suggest we’ve gotten unlucky when it comes to balls we’ve made contact on based on our wOBACON. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Lol at without looking...you’re hunting for reasons to hate on Madrigal. At this point of the season running into two dumb outs can put you at the very rear rather quickly even behind super slow guys who just jog station to station so I would not read that much into Baserunning stats that early especially for guys who even missed time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 Btw decision making is clearly part of Baserunning but madrigal doesn't have the reputation of being a reckless guy who just runs wild. A guy of his stature doesn't get drafted 4th with questionable decision making, all the reports said he is a mature guy. He was just a young guy being a bit overanxious in his first games, I think he will be a quite smart baserunner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Lol at without looking...you’re hunting for reasons to hate on Madrigal. Good ol SSS being misused. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Good ol SSS being misused. SouthSideSox? I jest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Why do veteran hitters forget how to hit when they come to the Sox? This is a serious question. I can't remember the last time a good hitter came to the Sox and even had a "normal" year for their career. I've always thought it was the reputation of Comiskey being an HR park and they all come and just swing for the fences and aren't hitters any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackowiakYakYak Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 7 hours ago, GreenSox said: You're generous: 8 of the 10 are below the mean, and the one that is #1 (BABIP - i.e. luck) suggests that things will get worse. BABIP will normalize, but so will the power numbers and that should be as/more influential. Grandal, Abreu, Moncada, Mazara, and Collins were all expected to put up better power numbers than they are, so we should see those numbers normalize even if the K% and BB% don’t trend the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 4 hours ago, ptatc said: Why do veteran hitters forget how to hit when they come to the Sox? This is a serious question. I can't remember the last time a good hitter came to the Sox and even had a "normal" year for their career. I've always thought it was the reputation of Comiskey being an HR park and they all come and just swing for the fences and aren't hitters any more. Many of them have been old and washed up, not many premium free agents age 26-29 have been signed by the sox, many have been older guys or mediocre older guys who have a big year. Dunn was the big bust of course (even though his final 3 years had been ok albeit not great at around a 110-115 wrc+) but other than that there weren't many good guys in their prime signed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: Many of them have been old and washed up, not many premium free agents age 26-29 have been signed by the sox, many have been older guys or mediocre older guys who have a big year. Dunn was the big bust of course (even though his final 3 years had been ok albeit not great at around a 110-115 wrc+) but other than that there weren't many good guys in their prime signed. But its a real precipitous fall off then. Almost all of hem had a good year prior to signing. Dunn, LaRoche, even a guy like Keppinger came to the Sox and had a career worst year. Look at the start of EE and Grandal. I don't mean tthat they even have to be in their prime and have a career year. They go from being pretty good to just awful and career worst years. They don't decline they jump off a cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnooch Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 EE was a bad signing. Grandal will be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 5:33 PM, Dominikk85 said: Looked up some stat ranks in the AL by the sox. As of today Hitting Bb%: 7.2 (12th) K%: 24.8 (11th) Iso: .163 (12th) Wrc+: 105 (5th) Babip: .317 (1st) Pitching K%: 23.2 (7th) Bb%: 9.0 (9th) Hr/9: 1.28 (9th) Fip: 4.3 (8th) Era: 4.26 (9th) Overall pretty middle of the road albeit with 8 playoff teams that could be enough. Hitting bad k to bb rate is no surprise of course. Babip could regress but I expect power to get better with tim back and EE and jose getting better in the second half which they often do albeit it is not guaranteed at their age. Pitching is probably about right albeit there are guys who could improve or get healthy again. Bolded are awful. Signs of a bad offense that got lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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