southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: not agitated with you at all; probably just naturally a dick on Monday mornings lol Just have no idea why soxtalk gives so much bandwidth to Twitter trolls. You should be thanking us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I follow 501 Sox Twitter accounts and lemme tell ya the sun will rise in the east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I follow 501 Sox Twitter accounts and lemme tell ya the sun will rise in the east. i follow jake burger on instagram, and he's retiring and giving up on baseball because he went to a football game with his girlfriend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, fathom said: I’m not even smart enough to embed tweets. I don’t even want to think about managing a twitter account. Exactly what I would expect a fake insider to say. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, bmags said: All this "mortgaging our future" talk...has there been a single piece mentioned that doesn't have at least another year of control? One year is a pretty narrow future if their giving up 6 years of control for multiple players such as Kopech, Dunning or Stiever. In essence if they trade 2 of them they are giving 12 years of combined control for 1 1/2 years if they have only 1 more year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, ptatc said: One year is a pretty narrow future if their giving up 6 years of control for multiple players such as Kopech, Dunning or Stiever. In essence if they trade 2 of them they are giving 12 years of combined control for 1 1/2 years if they have only 1 more year. It wouldn't be 6 years of Kopech. And god, the "12 years combined" stuff. is maybe the worst new measure sox fans have. Again, what if Kopech is still working on command next year and stiever is a dud? Does the 6 years mean anything at that point? I swear the new banner for this board should just be sox fans fondling a 2024 calendar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EloyJenkins Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Padres still have to make a move at this point since they are going all in. Hopefully they overpay and not the sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bmags said: It wouldn't be 6 years of Kopech. And god, the "12 years combined" stuff. is maybe the worst new measure sox fans have. Again, what if Kopech is still working on command next year and stiever is a dud? Does the 6 years mean anything at that point? I swear the new banner for this board should just be sox fans fondling a 2024 calendar. Everyone knows how the sox got into the rebuild in the first place and there is rightfully fear about chasing ghosts again. Prospects are valuable in aggregate and not to be just given away to immediately improve the MLB roster. Regardless of where the club is at in their contention window. Edited August 31, 2020 by chitownsportsfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I expect a trade to happen today, and I think the Sox will land a starting pitcher. There seems to be some noise around more than one player being acquired, and I would't mind seeing an outfielder or bullpen piece joining the team. Purely my speculation, but Morrow might be the most likely and Clevinger the least likely. However, I won't be shocked if it's a pitcher we haven't really discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: Everyone knows how the sox got into the rebuild in the first place and there is rightfully fear about chasing ghosts again. Prospects are valuable in aggregate and not to be just given away to always immediately improve the MLB roster. Regardless of where the club is at in their contention window. However, we can't just throw out every prospect as if they are equal value, and poo poo away 3 years of control for some of these players and cry that it's not 5 years. The difference between Kopech and Dunning and Stiever varies. And for the next 3 years we need a lot more guaranteed production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I think we end up with someone like Cobb. A SP that will make us better without giving up much. I dont think Cleve would trade us Clev and I dont want him for what he would cost. I think Lynn, while great, will get too much. I would be fine with Kopech to be traded only if itis for Woodruff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, bmags said: However, we can't just throw out every prospect as if they are equal value, and poo poo away 3 years of control for some of these players and cry that it's not 5 years. The difference between Kopech and Dunning and Stiever varies. And for the next 3 years we need a lot more guaranteed production. I agree, but why not just acquire a rental like Gausman and address longer term adds in the offseason? He should not be costly via trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, steveno89 said: I agree, but why not just acquire a rental like Gausman and address longer term adds in the offseason? He should not be costly via trade sometimes the value to acquire isn't a sliding scale. Giants are "competing" for a playoff spot and have a lot of resources as an org that may not care for a mid-level guy instead of just making a run of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 If the Sox have a deal, I would think MIL makes the most sense. IDK if I believe the Woodruff rumors, but I bet it’s one of their starters and a pen arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, bmags said: It wouldn't be 6 years of Kopech. And god, the "12 years combined" stuff. is maybe the worst new measure sox fans have. Again, what if Kopech is still working on command next year and stiever is a dud? Does the 6 years mean anything at that point? I swear the new banner for this board should just be sox fans fondling a 2024 calendar. I think the nightmare scenario is we try to hard to push the front end of the run up a year or two, and we end up giving away the wave that would have put us over the top. I mean it isn't hard to blink and see us giving up a big package for someone like Lynn, for example. Then if we don't do it in 20 or 21, because are still a bit overmatched and under-experienced, we get to 22 and Lynn is gone, as are all of the assets we gave up to get him. It isn't hard to squint and see Kopech as an all-star starting pitcher during that time frame, and maybe even better than Lynn or whoever we give him up for. So then we get to the point where we have neither player, but are still trying to win something. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 39 minutes ago, bmags said: I think the rangers were probably hurt a bit by the clevinger stuff. Dynamic changes when you are now holding the second best piece. It's a really scary time to be a seller right now. Teams have no idea what they're getting back. These prospects aren't playing games and scouts aren't allowed to watch their workouts at alternative sites. They could being trading for a guy who is not the same player he was 9 months ago. Hard to pull the trigger on a big move when you're not 100% in on what you're getting in return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: If the Sox have a deal, I would think MIL makes the most sense. IDK if I believe the Woodruff rumors, but I bet it’s one of their starters and a pen arm. Could see Adrian Houser making some sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Harold's Leg Lift said: It's a really scary time to be a seller right now. Teams have no idea what they're getting back. These prospects aren't playing games and scouts aren't allowed to watch their workouts at alternative sites. They could being trading for a guy who is not the same player he was 9 months ago. Hard to pull the trigger on a big move when you're not 100% in on what you're getting in return. that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I agree, but why not just acquire a rental like Gausman and address longer term adds in the offseason? He should not be costly via trade Bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: If the Sox have a deal, I would think MIL makes the most sense. IDK if I believe the Woodruff rumors, but I bet it’s one of their starters and a pen arm. Agreed, and I'm thinking it's Corbin Burnes. Engel as a throw-in piece makes sense with them trotting out to CF everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I think the nightmare scenario is we try to hard to push the front end of the run up a year or two, and we end up giving away the wave that would have put us over the top. I mean it isn't hard to blink and see us giving up a big package for someone like Lynn, for example. Then if we don't do it in 20 or 21, because are still a bit overmatched and under-experienced, we get to 22 and Lynn is gone, as are all of the assets we gave up to get him. It isn't hard to squint and see Kopech as an all-star starting pitcher during that time frame, and maybe even better than Lynn or whoever we give him up for. So then we get to the point where we have neither player, but are still trying to win something. I agree, just a few days ago I was talking about now overvaluing control over talent. But of the rumored names, there isn't anyone that concerns me on that side. These are high level talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I feel like if a trade was actually done we should have heard something by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Looks like a sellers market. If I am Hahn and know Bummer and Rodon progressing and would be available playoff time, I think I stand pat. Afraid the prices don't match the return. It is okay for others to disagree, just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: It's a really scary time to be a seller right now. Teams have no idea what they're getting back. These prospects aren't playing games and scouts aren't allowed to watch their workouts at alternative sites. They could being trading for a guy who is not the same player he was 9 months ago. Hard to pull the trigger on a big move when you're not 100% in on what you're getting in return. Well, you can also argue that you have to strike early on the front end of this window knowing you have some guys that are only under team control for the next 3-4 years like Abreu, Giollito, and Anderson. It's never too early to start contending for a championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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