ptatc Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Who is the last young person he has helped or improved for an extended period of time? So it has to be young for it to count? Helping veterans improve is not a sign of a good pitching coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) Just now, ptatc said: So it has to be young for it to count? Helping veterans improve is not a sign of a good pitching coach? Okay give me a veteran that he helped for an extended period of time. It also seems like most young guys go backwards with him (Rodon, Giolito, Cease, Lopez) Edited September 22, 2020 by Squirmin' for Yermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I will say he can do well with one year reclamation relievers every once in awhile (Kahnle) but I'm looking more for sustained success with a guy he has had.. Maybe Marshall is an answer.. But ima need some more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Who is the last young person he has helped or improved for an extended period of time? Have you looked at our bullpen lately? Marshall and Cordero were taken off the scrap heap, and turned into serviceable to very good relievers. Foster and Heuer are killing it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Okay give me a veteran that he helped for an extended period of time. It also seems like most young guys go backwards with him (Rodon, Giolito, Cease, Lopez) None of pitchers have gone back because of him. Lopez pitched pretty well in 2018 but not in 2019. Did he help Lopez in 2018 but not 2019? Rodon has been injury plagued due to that lack of follow through he's had since college. Giolito has praised Cooperfor his work with the mental preparation for the game. I know youre going to use the "he had to go to the high school pitching coach to change his mechanics" Washington changed his mechanics not the Sox. How is Cooper supposed to know what feels comfortable between the two if he never saw the original one. Cease is a product of the new analytics of pitching. Work on spin and tracking and throw high fastballs because that's when spin of the 4 seamer is at it's best. I'm sure they are still working on that as Cease is still learning as well. Cease has never been a pitcher with good control. The hitters in the minors just swung at his stuff. MLB hitters don't go that. Veterans currently on the staff, I would say Marshall and Cordero are doing pretty well after being picked off the scrap heap. Most of the current young guys on the staff are doing pretty well too. However, I'm sure you think that Cooper has no influence on their development in the minors and nothing to do with Foster, Heuer or Crochet right now. They only talk to Zaleski and the other minor league instructors now. The Sox pitching staff has been doing pretty well this year overall. most of these pitchers have learned through the Sox system or have done well once they got to the Sox. I can't think of a single pitcher who has only regressed since they came to the MLB level with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 https://www.google.com/search?q=spanish+to+English&oq=spanis&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57.3230j0j7&client=ms-android-att-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Didnt know the brewers drafted him 3 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: Didnt know the brewers drafted him 3 years ago I don't remember them mentioning it either. I thought the story was that he was shorter and skinnier and no other big school would give him a scholarship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, ptatc said: I don't remember them mentioning it either. I thought the story was that he was shorter and skinnier and no other big school would give him a scholarship. He was peaking out in the high 80's when he got to college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 10:08 AM, bmags said: Crazy how I still read this similar to the Christmas Carol character cratchett instead of crow-shay. With Tiny Nick at second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Last night was the first time I was able to see Crochet pitch live. I was impressed. His 100/101/102(!) mph fastballs looked so easy. Pitching in a very high leverage situation, he looked really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 9:12 AM, AJ'S Cousin said: Starter or reliever?? Starter. With this stuff, he has a chance to be a TOR guy and they need to see if he can do it. Starters have far, far more value than relievers. Yes, I thought he was a dubious pick, and if they leave him as a reliever, I will, unfortunately, have been correct. Starter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Let's start saving him for a little later in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 They ranked Kelley higher pre-draft. I wonder how good he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, knightni said: They ranked Kelley higher pre-draft. I wonder how good he is. Well some did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Stanky Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 8:51 AM, ptatc said: So it has to be young for it to count? Helping veterans improve is not a sign of a good pitching coach? Q got 2 strikes and started pecking at corners when he was here. With the Cubs the wicked slider turned into a putaway pitch. So there's at least one pitching coach better than Cooper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Stinky Stanky said: Q got 2 strikes and started pecking at corners when he was here. With the Cubs the wicked slider turned into a putaway pitch. So there's at least one pitching coach better than Cooper. Nothing about Quintana's numbers got better after he went to the Cubs. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Well some did. I believe most places did, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliusO1274 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, GreenSox said: Starter. With this stuff, he has a chance to be a TOR guy and they need to see if he can do it. Starters have far, far more value than relievers. Yes, I thought he was a dubious pick, and if they leave him as a reliever, I will, unfortunately, have been correct. Starter. If he is an elite reliever like Chapman, Miller, and Kimbrel in their prime then it would still be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I'd like to see the Sox do something along the lines of the Rays next year. Bring back Rodon one more time (yikes, i know), have Crotchet, Kopech and him all work as openers. Maybe something like 1-4 innings per appearance. Lopez too. Your rotation should remain with Gio and Keuchel as starters. Dunning can be one, but he may be better off piggy backing off on of the aforementioned guys while he builds his innings up. Cease? Wild Card. But I just think, why limit roles for these guys? The last three spots can be held down by a group of 4-6 *possible* long term starters (rodon, kopech, dunning, cease, crotchet, lopez). (lopez is probably out) But in this scenario you can get all those guys 100+ innings and start leaning on ones that break away from the pact for more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Generally, relievers have more longevity, including big fast ballers. i.e. Goose Gossage. I am worried that his arm will not hold up as long as a starter, so... Closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 9:22 AM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Great pitching coach? What have you been watching the past decade.. Welcome to the board though Someone please explain to me how Cooper isn’t a good PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: Someone please explain to me how Cooper isn’t a good PC. Lopez and Cease have taken significant steps backwards under Cooper's tutelage. The same goes for Giolito. He literally went back to work with his high school pitcher coach to fix his issues instead of Coop. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Lopez and Cease have taken significant steps backwards under Cooper's tutelage. The same goes for Giolito. He literally went back to work with his high school pitcher coach to fix his issues instead of Coop. For Lopez and Cease didn't he do away with (practically) each of their Curveballs? Which was each of their best pitches... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: For Lopez and Cease didn't he do away with (practically) each of their Curveballs? Which was each of their best pitches... Exactly. The game has passed Cooper by. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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