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2 hours ago, Dominikk85 said:

There is a zero percent chance that ricky gets fired after this year, even if they lose all the remaining games they still had a 92 win pace season and ricky has a good chance to win manager of the year. Yeah he also had a good team but it still beat the preseason projections by about 6 or 7 games.

There simply is no precedent for a team projected for 85 wins winning 92+ games firing their manager. This is a talented team but by no means they were considered a juggernaut like the Dodgers or astros and they do have some big holes too (back of rotation, bullpen depth). There is a reason why projection systems had the sox around mid 80s wins.

However I think next season he could be on a somewhat short leash, not after a bad month but if he is let's say 6 games under .500 at the all star break next year he could get fired.

I would agree that he's more likely to come back than get canned. But to say zero percent chance is not accurate. The world isn't just black or white. For all we know, KW, Reinsdorf or Hahn could be sitting there watching the games getting pissed off just like all us fans are at all his headscratching decisions.

Ricky's experimenting with Rodon might very well cause the Sox to play the Yankees in the first round, instead of hosting the Blue Jays or Astros.

And most of all, Reinsdorf has invested a lot in this rebuild. If they don't feel like he's the guy to lead it, this winter is the time to make the move. You can't assume the window is going to be open wider 2 or 3 years down the line. Other rebuild teams have come to later realize that their initial spurts of success were their best chances.

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There are plenty of options out there for a new manager, but we can't ignore the fact that a new pitching coach is probably needed.  The team needs someone who can help the slew of young guys develop, and the use of analytics is becoming more prominent.  Cooper is an old school guy who has basically said he doesn't believe in it.

I would imagine/hope that a new manager would be able to being in his own staff.  This team needs someone else at the helm.  The last three days alone has convinced me of that.

I can't remember who said it on Twitter, but someone remarked that the Cubs had Renteria as their manager while they were coming out of a rebuild.  And what did they do with him?  Time for the Sox, coming out of a rebuild, to find someone who can manage a championship caliber team.

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I doubt he gets fired but if they lose 6 games to Cleveland in a little over a week to get swept out of the playoffs, he might get fired.

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Salary: $4.2 million
Team: Cleveland Indians (2020)
Record: 1,667–1,409
Accolades: 2× World Series champion (2004, 2007), 2× AL Manager of the Year (2013, 2016)

Terry Francona has proven to be one of the greatest masterminds in the history of baseball. He's got a bit of the Midas' touch when it comes to developing winning cultures wherever he's gone.

That's why the Cleveland Indians don't mind paying him $4.2 million a year in hopes he can replicate the success he had at Fenway Park. He's going to be highly coveted once his contract runs out.


Should also be noted Yost at $3.7 million, Scioscia at $6 million and Maddon at $6 million, Bruce Bochy at $6 million.

https://us.bolavip.com/mlb/highest-mlb-manager-salaries-ever-20200723-0003.html
 

 

Girardi and Maddon might both be higher than that right now, fwiw.   Francona deal runs through 2022, right around the time Indians would lose Lindor and Jose Ramirez.


Finally, should Sox fans now add up all the money we’ve wasted on free agency over that time, as well as Hahn/KW combined salaries and Don Cooper?  Can’t we just once have a “top five” manager in our lifetimes?  Why do we always get sloppy seconds, or thirds, in the case of Robin Ventura?

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6 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

You have literally all of baseball who would be interested in coaching this team. Tons of young talent. Under contract for years. Veteran leadership. Ownership who doesn't care if you curse at your own fanbase for no reason and won't fire you unless you shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue in New York. I don't even know who the hot coaching candidates would be in baseball but my god this would be the prime job. 

Hell yeh this would be a hot team to manage.Hopefully we will be talking about new canadates to take the job after this season is over.Please Fire Ricky!!!!

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15 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Salary: $4.2 million
Team: Cleveland Indians (2020)
Record: 1,667–1,409
Accolades: 2× World Series champion (2004, 2007), 2× AL Manager of the Year (2013, 2016)

Terry Francona has proven to be one of the greatest masterminds in the history of baseball. He's got a bit of the Midas' touch when it comes to developing winning cultures wherever he's gone.

That's why the Cleveland Indians don't mind paying him $4.2 million a year in hopes he can replicate the success he had at Fenway Park. He's going to be highly coveted once his contract runs out.


Should also be noted Yost at $3.7 million, Scioscia at $6 million and Maddon at $6 million, Bruce Bochy at $6 million.

https://us.bolavip.com/mlb/highest-mlb-manager-salaries-ever-20200723-0003.html
 

 

Girardi and Maddon might both be higher than that right now, fwiw.   Francona deal runs through 2022, right around the time Indians would lose Lindor and Jose Ramirez.


Finally, should Sox fans now add up all the money we’ve wasted on free agency over that time, as well as Hahn/KW combined salaries and Don Cooper?  Can’t we just once have a “top five” manager in our lifetimes?  Why do we always get sloppy seconds, or thirds, in the case of Robin Ventura?

What?

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39 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

What?

They were always so proud to cite Hahn as the highest paid “second in command“ before taking over the GM reigns in 2013.
 

Can anyone explain why we’ve never had a manager paid in/among the Top Five salaries in MLB since arguably the late 1950’s/early 1960’s (Lopez)?

And how in God’s name can the Indians and Royals (Yost at $3.7 million in his final season) afford to do that, with two of the lowest MLB regional broadcasting rights deals?    When you throw in Baldelli, Matheny and Gardenhire into the mix, we’re likely fifth in managerial salaries despite having the biggest market in the AL Central.  

If it’s close, the salary battle will be Baldelli vs. Renteria.

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5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

They were always so proud to cite Hahn as the highest paid “second in command“ before taking over the GM reigns in 2013.
 

Can anyone explain why we’ve never had a manager paid in/among the Top Five salaries in MLB since arguably the late 1950’s/early 1960’s (Lopez)?

And how in God’s name can the Indians and Royals (Yost at $3.7 million in his final season) afford to do that, with two of the lowest MLB regional broadcasting rights deals?    When you throw in Baldelli, Matheny and Gardenhire into the mix, we’re likely fifth in managerial salaries despite having the biggest market in the AL Central.  

If it’s close, the salary battle will be Baldelli vs. Renteria.

Dude nobody was proud to cite any of that about Hahns salary.  How does adding up all of the salaries of all those different individuals within the organization with different jobs do anything for an argument that the Sox need to hire the right person for this job.

nobody gives a shit about first highest or second highest salary right now. They give a shit about COMPETENCE.  Fuck Ned Yost, that team won in spite of his dumb ass, he is the foremost reason why the top salary shouldn't fucking matter.

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RR has lost the fan base, but I have to believe that he’s losing the clubhouse as well. They might like him, but they’re competitors first and foremost.

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The idea that Cooper and Renteria just fly by the seat of their pants and use no analytics is incredible.  

I still think the bullpen usage since they clinched ahs been scripted like spring training.

I am also tired of hearing how the bullpen arms are worn out.  The bullpen can get worn out over a long season not over a 60 season.....60 games in you begin to talk about how the bullpen will be worn out at this rate.

 

 

 

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I don’t get how we can so quickly cut bait on pitchers but never guys like EE or Mazara...

Hahn stubbornness?

Like having to prove we were right about Rodon after all this time...that he could be the next Andrew Miller, blah blah. Well, maybe if he had any fastball command, could throw sliders with runners on base without wild pitches/PB and not continue to walk at least 1 hitter per inning.

Finally, we reward Engel’s big hit this week by starting Dyson, who can no longer steal a base at will?

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4 minutes ago, bmags said:

No superstar managers. 

Then for once pick the next guy like Jirschele who COULD quickly become one...

I’m not so sure guys like Cora, Hinch, Roberts, Beltran, etc., are superstars.   Bochy, Showalter, Scioscia, Girardi and Maddon fit that bill to a T.

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If they are going to fire Renteria, then they should go ahead and fire a few others (including some sacred cows)  while they're at it.   It's the bad hitting that has put Renteria in a position to make poor decisions.

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2 hours ago, Sarava said:

I would agree that he's more likely to come back than get canned. But to say zero percent chance is not accurate. The world isn't just black or white. For all we know, KW, Reinsdorf or Hahn could be sitting there watching the games getting pissed off just like all us fans are at all his headscratching decisions.

Ricky's experimenting with Rodon might very well cause the Sox to play the Yankees in the first round, instead of hosting the Blue Jays or Astros.

And most of all, Reinsdorf has invested a lot in this rebuild. If they don't feel like he's the guy to lead it, this winter is the time to make the move. You can't assume the window is going to be open wider 2 or 3 years down the line. Other rebuild teams have come to later realize that their initial spurts of success were their best chances.

Maybe Zero is not accurate but I would say under 10%. I mean has there been a single case where a manager wins sub 75 games one year and over 90 the next getting fired the very same year? Ricky made some bad decisions but in the end they still outperformed the zips/pecota preseason projection by several games. There is simply almost no precedent of a manager getting fired in that scenario. 

Managers have been (rarely) fired after 90 win seasons but that was when the team was coming of several 90 win seasons and missed the playoffs.

I think Ricky very likely keeps his job even if the white sox would be swept and if they advance a round obviously he is brought back 100%.

The only way I see him getting fired is if the sox lose the next 3 and then get embarrassingly swept like losing every game by 5+ runs.

But as it stands now the sox will have a drastically improved record compared to last season and Rick is also the front runner to win  the manager of the year.

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8 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

If they are going to fire Renteria, then they should go ahead and fire a few others (including some sacred cows)  while they're at it.   It's the bad hitting that has put Renteria in a position to make poor decisions.

Look, again, we know you don't watch baseball, but the offense is in a slump. It's a 60 game season. Menechino has done fine with the offense this year.

The most positive thing you've said this year is "If Crochet is a reliever, then my assessment of him as a bad draft pick will be correct."

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11 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

If they are going to fire Renteria, then they should go ahead and fire a few others (including some sacred cows)  while they're at it.   It's the bad hitting that has put Renteria in a position to make poor decisions.

Blaming the hitting is ridiculous.  The hitting has been amongst the best in baseball outside of the last week or so despite two guys clearly being impacted by COVID and a rookie finally hitting the wall.  Only Ricky is to blame for his bad decision making.

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4 minutes ago, Quin said:

Look, again, we know you don't watch baseball, but the offense is in a slump. It's a 60 game season. Menechino has done fine with the offense this year.

The most positive thing you've said this year is "If Crochet is a reliever, then my assessment of him as a bad draft pick will be correct."

They're scuffling big time but Cleveland is also arguably the best pitching staff in the American League so there's that.  Look, we need the offense to be better come next week but this team was in position to win at least 2 of these games in this last series and Ricky screwed the pooch here, there's just no debate there.

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The way he handled the bottom of the seventh inning, it looked like Rickey was tanking again.

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33 minutes ago, Quin said:

Look, again, we know you don't watch baseball, but the offense is in a slump. It's a 60 game season. Menechino has done fine with the offense this year.

The most positive thing you've said this year is "If Crochet is a reliever, then my assessment of him as a bad draft pick will be correct."

I didn't say fire Menechino - I said fire sacred cows if you are going to fire Renteria. (I know, it was a complex sentence).  My statement was accurate:  poor hitting has put pressure  on bullpen decisions.  **Edit - the other thing is that 3 participants in the pen have barely pitched all season, putting further pressure on the decisions.  

Across the season, both the pitching and hitting have been fine.

Yes, I know, yall are right - high draft picks are best used to find the next Alexei and relief pitchers.    Yall got me.

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1 hour ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

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Weren't Cub fans pretty happy with Ricky?  I remember he took pretty significant steps with that team and the only reason he was fired was that Maddon, who was one of, if not the the top manager (at least in terms of cache) at the time?  I don't remember any clamoring for Ricky to be fired for anything he did, Maddon was just the "it" manager at the time.  

 

I do love the Predator reference though.  It is quite awesome.

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Then for once pick the next guy like Jirschele who COULD quickly become one...

I’m not so sure guys like Cora, Hinch, Roberts, Beltran, etc., are superstars.   Bochy, Showalter, Scioscia, Girardi and Maddon fit that bill to a T.

I think the no minor league season thing really monkey-wrenched us on the Jirschele plan.  If I had to guess, it was gonna be "give him a year at Birmingham, then time for The Show".  It's probably scary for Hahn bringing his boy up directly from single A, no matter how much of a prodigy he is.  I hope he does it, though. 

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