southsider2k5 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 8 hours ago, fathom said: Rosario or Joc, who do you prefer? In the OF? Joc. I am OK with sacrificing some offense if we get a guy who can make regular plays out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) The time for a guy like Dahl was when we were rebuild mode. Don't like the idea of seeing if he can finally stay healthy next year. Edited December 3, 2020 by manbearpuig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Dahl is a possible option if the Sox truly aren't looking to spend significant $ on Springer. I'd be all over Dahl. He can play all 3 OF positions, if not well, then competently. Hits for power and average,hits the ball everywhere , LH, splits are fine against LH's. Home/Away splits not that lopsided. He's injury prone sure, but when he is healthy he is an All Star type, plus he won't be 27 till April. His surgery was in late September and he should be ready to go for spring training. It required repairing fraying in the labrum, fixing a small area of the rotator cuff, and removing a bone spur and bursa sac , which were causing the impingement that created the pain. I don't know how teams will approach him since he might not be able to pass a physical until February. I'd either offer him a 3 or 4 year contract with an escalating base AAV with teams options after 2 years and also throw in incentive clauses for performance . No just games played clauses because then players ignore their injuries. He was due $2.5-$2.7M in arb. this year . So perhaps a 2 year contact for $6-7M but incentives giving him a chance to earn $1M more in 2021 and $3M more in 2022 plus team options for a 3rd and 4th year with a higher pay scale or buyout . Edited December 3, 2020 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) If we sign Rosario, Robert is going to be running all over the place. Edited December 3, 2020 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Dahl has had 2-3 months of really good MLB play, and tons of time nursing minor and major injuries. He is 26 (which is great), but Is he really the right fit for a team that wants to win now? I'm just not sure it makes enough sense. Potential is definitely there and his fielding would be better than many options. I guess it really comes down to the contract demands for Joc and others. He should definitely be in play...but looking deeper into his numbers and history it seems too much like a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 If we don't get Springer (probably more "when we don't), my personal preference is: 1. Joc 2. JBJ 3. Dahl (didn't realize he was only 27. Still, if he misses a lot of the season, that doesn't do us much good) 4. Rosario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, EloyJenkins said: Dahl has had 2-3 months of really good MLB play, and tons of time nursing minor and major injuries. He is 26 (which is great), but Is he really the right fit for a team that wants to win now? I'm just not sure it makes enough sense. Potential is definitely there and his fielding would be better than many options. I guess it really comes down to the contract demands for Joc and others. He should definitely be in play...but looking deeper into his numbers and history it seems too much like a project. I've been going back and forth on Dahl all morning. The lineup should be so good where they could gamble on him in the 8-spot. But yeah, I think I prefer someone who can stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: If Dahl is healthy, I inquire first. Between Joc or Rosario, Joc is playable in RF so he's the obvious choice. If no Joc, JBJ's defense is appealing, knowing full well he's not great with the bat and his overall mediocre numbers are heavily skewed by the occasional scorching hot month. Dahl had shoulder surgery in September. You won't have any assurances he is healthy if you sign him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 In dahl's All Star season two years ago he played 100 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 8 hours ago, fathom said: Rosario or Joc, who do you prefer? I'd prefer Pederson and Bradley to Rosario. Rosario statcast data isn't great and he's a horrible defender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, bmags said: In dahl's All Star season two years ago he played 100 games. This. I’d also like to see his away stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, bmags said: Dahl had shoulder surgery in September. You won't have any assurances he is healthy if you sign him now. 16 minutes ago, bmags said: In dahl's All Star season two years ago he played 100 games. I was unaware of that. That's probably too much injury risk to be dependable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: Dahl has had 2-3 months of really good MLB play, and tons of time nursing minor and major injuries. He is 26 (which is great), but Is he really the right fit for a team that wants to win now? I'm just not sure it makes enough sense. Potential is definitely there and his fielding would be better than many options. I guess it really comes down to the contract demands for Joc and others. He should definitely be in play...but looking deeper into his numbers and history it seems too much like a project. Dodgers took a chance on a 31yr. old AJ Pollock and he's done well for them . Pollock is the better fielder but Dahl's OPS when he played before last year was .867 (2016-2019) which is better than Pollock and also very good. Edited December 3, 2020 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, bmags said: Dahl had shoulder surgery in September. You won't have any assurances he is healthy if you sign him now. Right so he might last on the market til some time in February. But I'd be showing his agent that we are interested for sure before then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 31 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: This. I’d also like to see his away stats. They are worse than his home stats but that's not unusual for many hitters. I'd call them pretty fair away from Coors . The guy can flat out hit when healthy, goes the other way very nicely. Oppo power too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: My list of preference: Joc Pederson - I think he really gives you what you're looking for - short term option for the time being, power, can bounce around positions, affordable Avi Garcia - You have to at least consider it. Brewers are looking to dump salary, he's somewhat expensive by 2021 standards and coming off a bad year. That being said he solves the issue, 1 year fix, very capable, and I'd assume it literally takes nothign to get it done -- aka just take him, and maybe even get a nice swap/upgrade on a minor leaguer to take that salary. Wait and see: aka - just sit and wait for the deadline. Get yourself a Haniger or whoever develops on the market. See what Engel does. See what your offense is lacking in 2021 and then acquire. Acquisition cost for a RF is generally pretty low. Nick Markakis - I don't see him leaving ATL, but he's just a guy who consistently gets it done. Nice bat, nice profile, nice price, short duration, vet. Springer - I don't feel like paying $25mm a year to a RF who will be past his prime soon. Having that contract on the books in 2024 won't be ideal. Add to that there are a number of decent options via trade, non-tender, etc. I'd explore those first. Edit: this is under Reinsdorf thinking ... if he was like Illitch or any other owner pushing the pedal down and absorbing payroll, I'm more than fine with him at the top of this list. I just dont want a situation in 2023-25 where we're like the Cubs, in the middle of a run, but crying poor and not adding the necessary final pieces to get it done Puig - I mean, i think he has as much upside as anybody on this list. I absolutely have no problem signing him - i even considered putting him above springer and markakis on my list. Adam Eaton - listen I don't love the guys personality. I'm not sure he fits on this team or with TLR, however I can somewhat see a match with TLR plus the guy has delivered in the past and is affordable enough. Do i think it happens? no. Would i be okay with it? Yes. D. Dahl - Mazara 2.0 -- i mean it's taking a guy who isn't that bad, or really that good either. it's another flyer hoping he can be something with a change of scenery. however as most can attest to, usually going from Coors to elsewhere doesn't work out great. Plus he's not really a RF JBJ - to me he's just Engel right? it'd be nice to have those two bouncing around as 3/4 options around the OF, but doesn't move the needle for me. Josh Reddick - kind of Markakis light. Of the FA's I think this is the obvious tiers for RF (in terms of fit for the Sox, specifically), IMO: Tier 1: Springer Tier 2 (in order): Joc Pederson, David Dahl Tier 3 (in order): Brantley (docked for not rot really being a RF), Jackie Bradley Jr, Adam Eaton (docked for being an asshat and a likely torched bridge, despite a pretty good fit) Tier 4 (in order): Josh Reddick, Nick Markasis, Robbie Grossman, Jurickson Profar (not really a RF, but I am sure he'd be better than at least half the guys before him on this list) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Dahl SCREAMS 2021 version of Mazara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Orlando said: Dahl SCREAMS 2021 version of Mazara He’s simply too risky where we’re at today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Orlando said: Dahl SCREAMS 2021 version of Mazara Don’t even want to think about alternatives to Springer. I know I might be beating a dead horse but damnit I’m so tired of this organization cutting corners or losing out on big time players, pay Springer and Richards, trade for Snell, grab a closer and let’s roll, assuming all guys stay healthy and keep progressing this is an AL Pennant roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Of the FA's I think this is the obvious tiers for RF (in terms of fit for the Sox, specifically), IMO: Tier 1: Springer Tier 2 (in order): Joc Pederson, David Dahl Tier 3 (in order): Brantley (docked for not rot really being a RF), Jackie Bradley Jr, Adam Eaton (docked for being an asshat and a likely torched bridge, despite a pretty good fit) Tier 4 (in order): Josh Reddick, Nick Markasis, Robbie Grossman, Jurickson Profar (not really a RF, but I am sure he'd be better than at least half the guys before him on this list) IMO we need defense in RF. Assuming no Springer, Joc is #1 for me and then it's a real dropoff from there. If Markakis can still play RF well, then he would be of interest. JBJ's offensive year last year probably isn't who he really is. Engel and Leury + a $7M RP is probably a much better overall move than say $7M to JBJ. I don't really want to see an expensive trade in terms of prospects. I'd like Starling Marte the most but he might cost a decent prospect. I wouldn't mind giving them Adolfo or Lopez though if MIA is interested. I bet would could take Avi back from MIL for basically nothing, just give them a non-prospect who yet shows up on prospect lists like Pilkington and take back the salary and he's ours IMO. That's basically the same as signing a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: He’s simply too risky where we’re at today. Royals IMO BTW they really should trade Merrifield this winter. WTF are they doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Joc is really too perfect of a fit for what the Sox need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, Rowand44 said: Joc is really too perfect of a fit for what the Sox need right now. Agreed. Get him signed on a 1-2 year deal if possible and get Bauer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Orlando said: Dahl SCREAMS 2021 version of Mazara I don't think so. Dahls OPS was .867 for his career until the injury year in 2020 and he can hit lefties. When he's playing healthy he could be one of our best hitters with both batting average and power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: IMO we need defense in RF. Assuming no Springer, Joc is #1 for me and then it's a real dropoff from there. If Markakis can still play RF well, then he would be of interest. JBJ's offensive year last year probably isn't who he really is. Engel and Leury + a $7M RP is probably a much better overall move than say $7M to JBJ. I don't really want to see an expensive trade in terms of prospects. I'd like Starling Marte the most but he might cost a decent prospect. I wouldn't mind giving them Adolfo or Lopez though if MIA is interested. I bet would could take Avi back from MIL for basically nothing, just give them a non-prospect who yet shows up on prospect lists like Pilkington and take back the salary and he's ours IMO. That's basically the same as signing a FA. Starling Marte is a guy who would have made a ton of sense to acquire last deadline. Doubt Miami moves him a couple months after trading for him, though. My list, as you can probably see, is definitely tiered in terms of handedness and defensive ability. Sans Springer, who is obviously the best player of the group by a wide margin, the rest fall in line mostly in terms of how they play defense. Except for maybe Joc, but he'd be a straight platoon in RF and his defensive is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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