maloney.adam Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: It would be a platoon but a much better platoon than we have had. Let's get the Joc deal done. RH knows JR cannot and will not even try to win a bidding against Cohen so let's secure Joc so we can keep any trade asset and budget powder we have dry for a SP, rather than having to move an actual asset for a RF if we lose out on Joc too. It really comes down to that 5th year for Springer though. If nobody is going to offer that right now, a dark horse or a sleeper team is going to come in and snatch him. I can see him signing with the Red Sox. Joc makes perfect sense for us because he’s a left handed bat with power and is good defensively. Steve Stone even mentioned that’s what the team needs and is looking for. If they don’t sign Joc than I would either pivot towards signing JBJ even though he doesn’t really have a whole lot of power or trade for someone like Gallo but yes I would agree with you, let’s try to get a Joc deal done first. Edited December 3, 2020 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 That would be an adventure for sure, I'd personally love to see it unfold. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, bmags said: That said, I love Springer. And obviously I was on the trade for Betts lonely bandwagon. I love the idea of an outfield that just slays. It would be great fun. But the best part about Joc to me is he likely won't prevent you from getting a big upgrade should one become available. That's what I was worried about with Castellanos/Ozuna talk last year. Good not great players who wouldn't age well and would prevent you from getting a big upgrade. Joc is perfect for us; really all we need on the offensive side. This team is so dynamic, and with so many realistic paths to improvement through internal development or smart personnel moves down the line. I'd love to keep it that way for as long as possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, maloney.adam said: For once I would love it if the team that goes the extra mile could be us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 59 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: In James I trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 59 minutes ago, smellysox said: Harold said he would be shocked if we didn't sign Joc Harold also thinks the Sox desperately want McCann back (at starter dollars) and would still keep Grandal around for some reason. He clearly has access to some inside info, but let’s not assume everything he says is gospel. Even the best insiders get shit wrong. Also, James has just as good of a track record and says we’re still in the mix so no one should be losing hope yet. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, manbearpuig said: The time for a guy like Dahl was when we were rebuild mode. Don't like the idea of seeing if he can finally stay healthy next year. What if we can get him as 4th OF and DH fall back option though? Not sure the roster size next year, but if the Sox can carry five OFers, give me JBJ or Gallo, if he can be had without giving up prime prospects, and Dahl. JBJ Gallo Pederson Rosario Would be my order of preference. Then if you can get Dahl or Sung-Bum for OF/DH depth at a reasonable price and have the space, that would be ideal. Grandal catcher abreu Vaughn madrigal Anderson Moncada Leury Mendick Jimenez Robert JBJ/Gallo/Pederson or Rosario Dahl or Sung-Bum Engel Edited December 3, 2020 by Vulture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Can someone who is better at finding advanced stats and splits better than I can do a comparison of what we can expect from a Joc/Engel platoon vs what we can expect from Springer for a 162 game season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Harold also thinks the Sox desperately want McCann back (at starter dollars) and would still keep Grandal around for some reason. He clearly has access to some inside info, but let’s not assume everything he says is gospel. Even the best insiders get shit wrong. Also, James has just as good of a track record and says we’re still in the mix so no one should be losing hope yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Harold also thinks the Sox desperately want McCann back (at starter dollars) and would still keep Grandal around for some reason. He clearly has access to some inside info, but let’s not assume everything he says is gospel. Even the best insiders get shit wrong. Also, James has just as good of a track record and says we’re still in the mix so no one should be losing hope yet. I honestly don't doubt they wouldn't mind over paying him. But he's looking at a 4 year deal from the Mets apparently, that ain't gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: You didn’t say this about McCann? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, mqr said: I honestly don't doubt they wouldn't mind over paying him. But he's looking at a 4 year deal from the Mets apparently, that ain't gonna happen. You think they want to overpay McCann and keep Grandal, rather than use those dollars toward a Springer or Bauer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Even if Jerry offered a 5th year, Cohen will match it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Tier 3 (in order): Adam Eaton (docked for being an asshat and a likely torched bridge, despite a pretty good fit) Eaton would be far lower on the totem pole than he was before if he returned to the Sox. We've got the veteran leadership in Abreu, Keuchel, Anderson, Grandal, who are backed and beloved by the young potential superstars in Jimenez, Robert, etc. He wouldn't have his cohorts in douchiness like before. I wonder if Eaton's personality would even have any effect. He'd either have to get on board or keep to himself I'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, Vulture said: Eaton would be far lower on the totem pole than he was before if he returned to the Sox. We've got the veteran leadership in Abreu, Keuchel, Anderson, Grandal, who are backed and beloved by the young potential superstars in Jimenez, Robert, etc. He wouldn't have his cohorts in douchiness like before. I wonder if Eaton's personality would even have any effect. He'd either have to get on board or keep to himself I'd think. Except this time he might have the manager on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: You think they want to overpay McCann and keep Grandal, rather than use those dollars toward a Springer or Bauer? If it was a short one or two year deal, sure, I don't think that would really affect the Springer or Bauer situation all that much. You're also assuming a lot thinking they want to use money on those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, mqr said: If it was a short one or two year deal, sure, I don't think that would really affect the Springer or Bauer situation all that much. You're also assuming a lot thinking they want to use money on those two. My point is unless the Sox are operating in an unconstrained environment, it’s ridiculous to think they would want to pay starter money to their backup catcher or spend $18M/year for Grandal to be their primary DH (while blocking Andrew Vaughn) when they have massive holes in the rotation and RF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) I still think the Mets are going to sign Realmuto and this leak is simply a ploy to gain some leverage. Edited December 3, 2020 by Chicago White Sox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Except this time he might have the manager on his side. I doubt La Russa would have tolerated the Eaton/LaRoche/Sale shenanigans. Probably wouldn't have even happened in the first place. I don't particularly care for La Russa, but Ventura he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I still think the Mets are going to sign Realmuto and this leak is simply a ploy to gain some leverage. Maybe, but Mets fans have been talking McCann for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I still think the Mets are going to sign Realmuto and this leak is simply a ploy to gain some leverage. I think this is their cheap move, while they put out the big bucks on guys like Bauer and Springer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: I think this is their cheap move, while they put out the big bucks on guys like Bauer and Springer. If we go with Joc there's really no excuse for us not to seriously in on Bauer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, mqr said: If it was a short one or two year deal, sure, I don't think that would really affect the Springer or Bauer situation all that much. You're also assuming a lot thinking they want to use money on those two. Why would McCann sign a one or two year deal? He would be a vast improvement for a lot of teams and he's at his maximum free agent value at his age probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I think this is their cheap move, while they put out the big bucks on guys like Bauer and Springer. It ain't cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Vulture said: Why would McCann sign a one or two year deal? He would be a vast improvement for a lot of teams and he's at his maximum free agent value at his age probably He won't. McCann is gone. I'm just saying I don't doubt the Sox would be interested in doing that if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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