fathom Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Orlando said: With La Russa’s history and today’s climate it should. It’s fascinating there’s not a single quote by a player yet. You would have thought Chuck, etc. could have gotten one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, VAfan said: Just going to post this here. I wrote it on the Pro-LaRussa thread. ************** I can't believe all the nonsense being written about Tony LaRussa. Nearly all of it comes from people who have no concept of what it takes to be a major league manager. It's entirely possible that this won't work out. But no one knows that. A lot of people hated the Sox decision to extend Jose Abreu for 3 years. Where are you now, after his MVP season? Tony LaRussa has a record that puts him solidly in the conversation for most accomplished manager of all time. I mean, I think you have to discount any manager from the whites-only era of baseball, before Jackie Robinson integrated the game. They might have put up some great numbers, but it was a racist game. If you look only at managers after 1950, for sheer volume of wins and championships, you only have LaRussa and Sparky Anderson, each of whom won 3 WS titles with teams from both the AL and NL. But LaRussa's accomplishments are much deeper and more impressive than Anderson's. Perhaps Bruce Bochy deserves mention with 4,000+ games, but he has a career losing record and won with only the Giants and Ross Bumgardner. LaRussa v. Sparky 2,728 wins v. 2,194 wins. 3 WS titles v. 3 WS Titles. But Anderson did it with two squads - back-to-back with the Reds and 1984 with the Tigers. LaRussa had a dominant Oakland team that won 3 pennants in a row and a WS in between. But the Cardinals WS victories were 6 years apart. LaRussa also led the White Sox to 99 wins with the 1983 "winning ugly" squad. 4x manager of year v 2x manager of year 5,093 games v. 4,028 games The list can go on. The point is that Tony LaRussa's stature and record as a manager should have earned him some respect. He knows vastly more about baseball and people than anyone on this blog who denigrates him. I'll bet a lot of the critics here weren't even alive when he started managing in 1979. I don't know how this is going to turn out. Nor does anyone else. But I'm willing to see what happens. I'd certainly take LaRussa over the cheaters Hinch and Cora. Hinch got outmanaged last year by Dave Martinez, and Cora as the instigator of the cheating is beyond redemption. As a white guy, LaRussa is also bilingual, which is critical for this clubhouse. He won't need a translator. As for the kneeling issue, LaRussa answered that question in the press conference and Jason Benetti interview. He's changed his views. He also praised Tim Anderson for the energy and passion he brings to the game. LaRussa couldn't have managed so successfully over 3 different teams, 33 years, with countless different personalities if he didn't know how to navigate a clubhouse. It would seem that these players, if they are hungry to win, ought to be looking for leadership in that regard from LaRussa rather than demanding that he make changes for them, when they haven't accomplished anything as a team. I'm not saying they have to "fall in line" or anything like that. I just think there's an opportunity for a good marriage here because they want to win, and Tony LaRussa definitely wants to win. As for analytics, LaRussa just said at the press conference that "information is king." He's a lawyer. He's always had an analytical mind, and has always sought every edge. But he's not a blind adherent to data. He also applies "observational analytics" within a given game because he's watching what's going on. LaRussa doesn't have anything left to prove in baseball. But he still was itching for one more opportunity. That tells me he wanted this and will work hard to make it work. So, I'm not predicting this will work. It may, it may not. I think it has a good shot to succeed, but it will depend on the players, and getting better pitching. But I strongly feel that LaRussa has more than earned the chance, and is not deserving of the heap of scorn being dumped on him by Sox fans. I absolutely hate this hire... but your post here is fantastic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, The Hawk said: By mellow I mean not a hothead or a loudmouth. I don't think that Moncada will have a problem with LaRussa because Moncada, to me is a prototypical pro's pro on how he handles himself in the game. I doubt if LaRussa would ever mess with how Moncada conducts his affairs. My concern is with Tim Anderson. That's a different personality entirely. Yoan’s mellowness, combined with his “injury” tolerance just seems like a recipe for trouble with TLR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Hawk said: I can speak Spanish also. That doesn't make me Latin. Big difference, right? Ah yes, Latins should manage strictly Latins and so on and so on My Lord Point is that he shares a commonality with much of his roster 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, fathom said: It’s fascinating there’s not a single quote by a player yet. You would have thought Chuck, etc. could have gotten one. Well it seems as if the players were preparing for AJ Hinch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Jeeeezus, we've already got guys making posts regurgitating the made up word that is not a real thing that Larussa used "observational analytics." Thats not a thing. Its an idiots way of saying my eyes are a database. Don't call me an idiot. Not even sure why I'm responding, but that's juvenile. Whatever you call it, when you are watching the game, the right move or non-move is not always what the "analytics" say to do. Cash blundered the other night, just like AJ Hinch blundered last year in the World Series. Both pulled starters who were cruising only to watch the bullpen blow the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: Well it seems as if the players were preparing for AJ Hinch Yep, this honestly should have been a day of celebration and excitement for Whitesox fans but it’s turned into the opposite feeling of a funeral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hawk Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Orlando said: With La Russa’s history and today’s climate it should. Nope. Not in baseball. basketball still is the only major sport where the players run the sport as they want it to be run. That is the reason I don't watch basketball at all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, The Hawk said: Nope. Not in baseball. basketball still is the only major sport where the players run the sport as they want it to be run. That is the reason I don't watch basketball at all. You seem fun at parties. Who exactly should "run the sport"? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, fathom said: It’s fascinating there’s not a single quote by a player yet. You would have thought Chuck, etc. could have gotten one. Chuck has one player coming on the podcast in a few days to talk about it....kinda telling tho if you have to give a player a few days to digest this to give the politically correct answer instead of right away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: Yep, this honestly should have been a day of celebration and excitement for Whitesox fans but it’s turned into the opposite feeling of a funeral. For every person that is happy, there seems to be 50 that are upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, maloney.adam said: Not to discredit Tony in anyway but this guy is the future of the Sox. I agree with this after TLR retires in 2 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hawk Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, fathom said: Yoan’s mellowness, combined with his “injury” tolerance just seems like a recipe for trouble with TLR. What are you talking about? The guy came through Covid-19 which wrecked him physically. And despite that illness and the effect that it had on his hitting, played as good a 3rd base defensively as anyone in all of baseball. YOu think he "dogged it"? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, fathom said: For every person that is happy, there seems to be 50 that are upset. Reminds me of the Abreu deal that wound up being so miserable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: I agree with this after TLR retires in 2 years At a click glance, I thought that was Magglio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, fathom said: For every person that is happy, there seems to be 50 that are upset. I think justifiably so, the team just did the exact opposite of what you’ve been preparing to do for the past year or so, the writing had been on the wall this entire time, you could have hired a manager to grow with the team flip the switch to modern baseball and instead you do this. Just shocking and makes me more pissed the more I talk about it but it’s like watching a train wreck and not being able to look away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, ChiSoxJon said: Reminds me of the Abreu deal that wound up being so miserable What if we were supportive of the Abreu deal and dislike the La Russa hiring? I get your point but one is way worse than the other, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, VAfan said: Don't call me an idiot. Not even sure why I'm responding, but that's juvenile. Whatever you call it, when you are watching the game, the right move or non-move is not always what the "analytics" say to do. Cash blundered the other night, just like AJ Hinch blundered last year in the World Series. Both pulled starters who were cruising only to watch the bullpen blow the game. What? No where did I call you an idiot. Tony is an idiot using two words together that don't belong. Decision analytics is a thing. Analytics is a thing. Observation is a thing. Observational analytics is nonsense. Edited October 30, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hawk Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: You seem fun at parties. Who exactly should "run the sport"? Certainly not a few upper echelon players. They ruined the game with their politics and basically deciding among themselves who was going to win or even compete for a championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Reminds me of the Abreu deal that wound up being so miserable Greg was in favor of both moves. Trust me, I know Tony is gonna lead the White Sox to greatness. Sad that he had to tweet tonight that not everybody is happy. I wish Tony the best of health and the rest will take care of itself. Open up your hearts and somebody please start a thread that welcomes Tony to Chicago. Edited October 30, 2020 by greg775 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 40 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: That really isn't the point. Doesn't really make me feel any better. I preferred Bochy and Hinch,but TLR is gonna win a lot of games the next few years. He knows what he is doing. People will be very surprised with how well he does. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, Orlando said: Quote from the new Athletic article is very bad in my opinion: ”La Russa said he has not spoken to any White Sox players yet, but Sox players who spoke to The Athletic ranged from cautiously open-minded, to dismissive and derisive in their reaction to the hiring.” Based on his press conference, you just get the idea that he doesn't even know the team that well. I don't mean knowing them personally, I mean literally knowing who is on the roster. Hopefully he gets in contact with them all over the coming days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, The Hawk said: Certainly not a few upper echelon players. They ruined the game with their politics and basically deciding among themselves who was going to win or even compete for a championship. I'm all for no politics in sports. Get rid of the national anthem altogether, all the flyovers funded by taxpayer dollars and the other nonsense couched in faketriotism. You agree? 2 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hawk Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I'm all for no politics in sports. Get rid of the national anthem altogether, all the flyovers funded by taxpayer dollars and the other nonsense couched in faketriotism. You agree? No. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I'm all for no politics in sports. Get rid of the national anthem altogether, all the flyovers funded by taxpayer dollars and the other nonsense couched in faketriotism. You agree? The Anthem and Military support are political? Should be unifying national pride, not partisan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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