CentralChamps21 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, KipWellsFan said: Wouldn't impeachment take too long? Doesn't the President have a right to put up a defense on the Senate side, since it effectively functions as a trial? The Senate trial is conducted under essentially whatever rules the majority want it to be conducted. If McConnell and 18 other Republicans wanted to remove him, they could have a 1-day trial if they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Quin said: In other news: He's too dangerous for Facebook, but he's good to go with the nuclear codes. Get this guy to the psychiatric ward at Walter Reed right now, and have him stay there until Biden is inaugurated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, KipWellsFan said: Wouldn't impeachment take too long? Doesn't the President have a right to put up a defense on the Senate side, since it effectively functions as a trial? It's up to the Senate to determine how long it takes. As we saw a year ago, Mitch was perfectly happy to largely rush through everything. If there is an iron-clad case for immediate removal, it could be done in a day or two. That our government doesn't really have a mechanism for removing a clearly unstable President, since the 25th is meant more for physical incapacitation, is another mark against it! M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: This is so startling. How can anyone support this. Just goes to show you what these people believe - they must really believe all of this nonsense that the election was stolen. The Republican Party is a legitimate threat to American democracy and it is being driven by social media and right wing “news”. People underestimate how stupid other humans are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, KipWellsFan said: Wouldn't impeachment take too long? Doesn't the President have a right to put up a defense on the Senate side, since it effectively functions as a trial? If Pelosi had the votes, which she doesn't otherwise it would be on the table, it could get through the house without debate. The thought isn't really that he gets removed through impeachment. More that it is sitting in the senate and they could vote to remove him for the next few weeks is better than the serious unknowns of the 25th. The trial, etc, of the senate aren't necessarily things that have to take a long time, but we are obviously in weird times and he gets officially removed in two weeks. This is mainly leverage over the executive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bmags said: If Pelosi had the votes, which she doesn't otherwise it would be on the table, it could get through the house without debate. The thought isn't really that he gets removed through impeachment. More that it is sitting in the senate and they could vote to remove him for the next few weeks is better than the serious unknowns of the 25th. The trial, etc, of the senate aren't necessarily things that have to take a long time, but we are obviously in weird times and he gets officially removed in two weeks. This is mainly leverage over the executive. just need a simple majority for impeachment in the house, not sure why you think the votes aren't there. attaching yourself in any way shape or form to helping Trump right now as a democrat is political suicide edit: saw you said "without debate", is that a caveat that you intentionally included? Edited January 7, 2021 by joesaiditstrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: This is so startling. How can anyone support this. Just goes to show you what these people believe - they must really believe all of this nonsense that the election was stolen. I posted that link yesterday (non-humble-brag) and also out of that same poll, more than 1/2 of the self-identified Republicans in the poll said that anything that happened there was Joe Biden's fault, when given the option between Biden, Congressional Republicans, Trump, and Congressional Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 40 minutes ago, bmags said: I think 25th amendment is a bad idea, impeachment from house makes more sense because it also hangs over head of president. What happens if Trump still acts like he's president and you have a 2 popes issue. The 25th Amendment is a clear legal process. If it was followed, then even if Donald Trump gave an order, following it as though he was still the president would be illegal. If someone in the Cabinet or the Defense Department is willing to break the law to support Trump, why would it matter if it was 25th amendment or impeachment? Either way, theyr'e breaking the law and trying to overthrow the government to follow Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, KipWellsFan said: So did Pence do that part where he says Biden has been elected President? https://apple.news/AY827ZaFURiuYBoNINsWRRg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, KipWellsFan said: Wouldn't impeachment take too long? Doesn't the President have a right to put up a defense on the Senate side, since it effectively functions as a trial? I would think so. To me it makes more sense to remove him under the 25th amendment and put Pence in charge for the last few weeks rather than put the country through another impeachment trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: Not sure whether it's accurate, but that tweet claims that the shooter was part of Pence's detail. If that guy is indeed Secret Service, and Pence is nearby, that's how it's going to end every time. I don't know whether the part about that being Pence's detail is accurate, but because the person shot wasn't a fleeing black man I think there's some reason to expect that it will be investigated whether or not that shooting was justified. They may have panicked, they may have pulled the trigger accidentally, I will make no guesses about that. I still cannot get over the 5 guys in Riot Gear just standing there and allowing it. They're in full riot gear, they couldn't block that door for a few minutes to give whoever was on the other side a chance to move out? Whether that was Pence's staff or security of someone in Congress, they had only a handgun, no riot gear, as defense, and the 5 Capitol policemen did nothing to assist that person. They could block that door for a few minutes until whoever was on the other side had moved to safety, and even just open the door right afterwards. They didn't have to hold that line the whole afternoon. That's literally a security person on the other side, they're supposed to be on the same side!! The mob brought zip ties with them, if that was the VP or some Congressperson's staff on the other side, were they ok with hostages being taken?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I think even impeachment is a pipe dream - 138 congresspeople, even after everything that happened yesterday, voted to not certify PA results. The rot is too deep in congress to even get common sense things done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, daggins said: I think even impeachment is a pipe dream - 138 congresspeople, even after everything that happened yesterday, voted to not certify PA results. The rot is too deep in congress to even get common sense things done. One of them challenged a former NFL Linebacker to a fight on the House floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: One of them challenged a former NFL Linebacker to a fight on the House floor. That will not end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) Impeachment is a privileged motion. Any member of the House can bring it to the floor, and it can skip the usual committee requirements. Coincidentally, the House adjourned until the 19th. edit: well this is at least something, hopefully they get on this ASAP Edited January 7, 2021 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, pettie4sox said: That will not end well. Too bad it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 There were also photos of people in their tacticool gear with big bunches of ziptie handcuffs. They were planning for hostages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 40 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: just need a simple majority for impeachment in the house, not sure why you think the votes aren't there. attaching yourself in any way shape or form to helping Trump right now as a democrat is political suicide edit: saw you said "without debate", is that a caveat that you intentionally included? Yeah there is not a party line dem vote there right now. Welcome to dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, StrangeSox said: There were also photos of people in their tacticool gear with big bunches of ziptie handcuffs. They were planning for hostages. I mean, watching the video @bmags posted. Then the photo of the chucklefuck at Pelosi's desk. What do people really think was gonna happen if they got to Pelosi? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Is the DNC/GOP HQ in the capitol? I'm not sure I'm clear on where those actually are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Yes, basically across the street from the Capitol building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: What's ironic about the way we've described the police riots over the summer is that the bad ones have often been described as "a few bad apples", when the etymology of that phrase is "a few bad apples spoil the bunch - if a couple of them are bad, then that's a problem for all of them. There are a number of other videos. Police calmly walking the insurrectionists out of the Capitol building. One of them on video helping a woman down the stairs of the Capitol. While that guy was taking selfies, another of his colleagues, who appears to have a different skin color in the video clip, was being chased up a different stairwell nearby by the mob. Take selfies or render assistance to your colleagues? If a few officers opened gates, and a few others didn't do their jobs inside even when they were on video, this is a problem for everyone, including the ones who were being overwhelmed. I don't know what it will look like because of Pandemic, but in 13 days this same facility will host a presidential inauguration with many of the same officers. An after action report for that event saying "we had 1000 officers on site and 99.8% of them did not let in bomb-wielding Presidential assassins" would represent a spoiled bunch, and that means somehow more action needs to be taken to weed out the bad apples, rapidly. “No good tree bears bad fruit just as no bad tree bears good fruit. Therefore by their fruit you will know them.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Does DC have felony murder charges? Hit everyone who stormed the Capitol with one for each of the four deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) Trump is only going to get crazier, while he is in office, and when he is out. 4 years from now, what you see now will be considered mild. It's only going to get worse. The family is weird, It appears they have abandoned the real estate business, and now aim to be a big political family what with Ivanka wanting to run for the Senate, Don Jr. with the RNC, and Eric promising to primary every R who didn't fight back last night. Their new grift. Edited January 7, 2021 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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