maloney.adam 350 Posted November 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buehrle>Wood 613 Posted November 6, 2020 He should say that. He will still sign for the most money. Still unlikely to be here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tray 470 Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) McCann doesn't care about being a "starting:" catcher. He just wants to make starting catcher money. If TLaR wants McCann, he will probably get signed here. Edited November 6, 2020 by tray 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manbearpuig 1,379 Posted November 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, tray said: McCann doesn't care about being a "starting:" catcher. He just wants to make starting catcher money. If TLaR wants McCann, he will probably get signed here. Someone is going to pay him to be a starter. It will not be the White Sox. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 1,062 Posted November 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: Someone is going to pay him to be a starter. It will not be the White Sox. I wouldn't say that just yet. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EloyJenkins 783 Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I wouldn't say that just yet. I would. Phillies lose Realmuto...McCann is an overpay for them. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCCWS 204 Posted November 6, 2020 McCann to Mets has been rumored in several places. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pcq 642 Posted November 6, 2020 Teams need two starters I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoxAce 2,217 Posted November 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, SCCWS said: McCann to Mets has been rumored in several places. I think they're going to go hard after Realmuto first. McCann is more of the backup plan. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFutureIsNear 194 Posted November 7, 2020 The contracts I have seen have been surprisingly low. I would absolutely keep McCann around for something like 2 years 18 mil 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chicago White Sox 5,566 Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, TheFutureIsNear said: The contracts I have seen have been surprisingly low. I would absolutely keep McCann around for something like 2 years 18 mil Even if it means you can’t upgrade RF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFutureIsNear 194 Posted November 7, 2020 32 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Even if it means you can’t upgrade RF? Of course not. Don’t get me wrong, it won’t surprise me if it does, but let’s hope JR is past 9 mil more in payroll being too much to put the best possible team on the field. Not like we’ll be anywhere near the luxury tax. Hopefully since he hired a 76 year old coach JR is at least in WS now mode and will get the payroll up to at least 150. Not to mention that a good 2nd C is necessary with Grandal. Is Collins ready? Or would we just end up signing someone else cheaper/not as good to save 4/5 mil? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital G 116 Posted November 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Of course not. Don’t get me wrong, it won’t surprise me if it does, but let’s hope JR is past 9 mil more in payroll being too much to put the best possible team on the field. Not like we’ll be anywhere near the luxury tax. Hopefully since he hired a 76 year old coach JR is at least in WS now mode and will get the payroll up to at least 150. Not to mention that a good 2nd C is necessary with Grandal. Is Collins ready? Or would we just end up signing someone else cheaper/not as good to save 4/5 mil? Not going to be shocked if we sign Molina. Assuming he's willing to be a back up at his age. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chicago White Sox 5,566 Posted November 7, 2020 58 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Of course not. Don’t get me wrong, it won’t surprise me if it does, but let’s hope JR is past 9 mil more in payroll being too much to put the best possible team on the field. Not like we’ll be anywhere near the luxury tax. Hopefully since he hired a 76 year old coach JR is at least in WS now mode and will get the payroll up to at least 150. Not to mention that a good 2nd C is necessary with Grandal. Is Collins ready? Or would we just end up signing someone else cheaper/not as good to save 4/5 mil? Why is a good second catcher necessary with Grandal? That logic I don’t really get since he should be able to start a ton of games which makes the backup catcher spot less of a concern than normal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chicago White Sox 5,566 Posted November 7, 2020 59 minutes ago, Capital G said: Not going to be shocked if we sign Molina. Assuming he's willing to be a back up at his age. That would be a horrible use of resources IMO. A big part of Grandal’s value is the ability to play frequently. If you don’t like Collins at the backup, go get cheap defensive-minded veteran. That should come fairly cheap in this marketplace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitetrain8601 58 Posted November 7, 2020 You need someone to catch Giolito. Coop gone, McCann gone. That's going to be tough. I do think you should have a good backup. McCann was as solid as they came. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaliSoxFanViaSWside 2,089 Posted November 9, 2020 On 11/7/2020 at 6:21 AM, TheFutureIsNear said: Of course not. Don’t get me wrong, it won’t surprise me if it does, but let’s hope JR is past 9 mil more in payroll being too much to put the best possible team on the field. Not like we’ll be anywhere near the luxury tax. Hopefully since he hired a 76 year old coach JR is at least in WS now mode and will get the payroll up to at least 150. Not to mention that a good 2nd C is necessary with Grandal. Is Collins ready? Or would we just end up signing someone else cheaper/not as good to save 4/5 mil? The only way the Sox get a payroll of $150M is if there is a vaccine for Covid in the next 2 months + overwhelming season ticket orders after it ends. Odds of that happening : 100 to 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominikk85 395 Posted November 9, 2020 Honestly giolito needs to learn to deal with grandal. It is not that grandal is some defensive hack, so there is no reason why giolito shouldn't get along with grandal especially if you get a worse backup than mccann. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianAnderson 400 Posted November 9, 2020 i echo the last comment. if giolito stumbles without coop and mccann then he's not a top tier starter in this league. top tier guys can play well with whatever is aroudn them 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 1,062 Posted November 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Dominikk85 said: Honestly giolito needs to learn to deal with grandal. It is not that grandal is some defensive hack, so there is no reason why giolito shouldn't get along with grandal especially if you get a worse backup than mccann. I was told there are two problems with Grandal's catching. The first is the pitchers don't trust him to put down the correct number so the pitcher has to call his own game which is something they would rather not have to think about like when they throw to McCann. The second and much bigger problem is Grandal pulls pitches on the corners out of the strike zone. As you can imagine this drives the pitchers absolutely insane to the point that there are very heated arguments about who gets to throw to who(m?). Whoever they sign and I'm told they're still talikng to McCann has to be a strong defensive catcher who is also very good at calling a game. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fathom 5,530 Posted November 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I was told there are two problems with Grandal's catching. The first is the pitchers don't trust him to put down the correct number so the pitcher has to call his own game which is something they would rather not have to think about like when they throw to McCann. The second and much bigger problem is Grandal pulls pitches on the corners out of the strike zone. As you can imagine this drives the pitchers absolutely insane to the point that there are very heated arguments about who gets to throw to who(m?). Whoever they sign and I'm told they're still talikng to McCann has to be a strong defensive catcher who is also very good at calling a game. All things they should have been aware of before they signed him 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balta1701 2,908 Posted November 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, fathom said: All things they should have been aware of before they signed him You overestimate them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShoeLessRob 182 Posted November 9, 2020 Listened to the podcast. HE GONE. Disappointed, but he deserves to be a starter and cash in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominikk85 395 Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I was told there are two problems with Grandal's catching. The first is the pitchers don't trust him to put down the correct number so the pitcher has to call his own game which is something they would rather not have to think about like when they throw to McCann. The second and much bigger problem is Grandal pulls pitches on the corners out of the strike zone. As you can imagine this drives the pitchers absolutely insane to the point that there are very heated arguments about who gets to throw to who(m?). Whoever they sign and I'm told they're still talikng to McCann has to be a strong defensive catcher who is also very good at calling a game. Grandal has been constantly rated a great framer, can't believe pitchers think he is stealing strikes. 2020 he was 4th in baseball savant Framing https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/catcher_framing and second at bbpro https://www.baseballprospectus.com/leaders/catching/catcher-stats-full-season?year=2020&lg=all&team=all&lvl=mlb&min=qualified Not sure about the game calling albeit I would think often the manager calls it these days, doesn't he? Edited November 9, 2020 by Dominikk85 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites