daggins Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 That Rogers ballot makes me feel bad about baseball and life in general. Also this would be the first time in a while no one is elected, right? Like, quite a few years? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: Thanks for posting. My two selections have a shot to bridge the gap. Would have added Schilling to my ballot after further reflection, including the rationale Jay Jaffe wrote he used to omit him. Whether you agree or disagree with Schillings politics or statements, it should have no bearing on your hall of fame vote. I’m truly agnostic when it comes to Rolen or Jones, would have to study it more if I had a ballot. I would likely keep it no, but wouldn’t be necessarily concerned if either made it. Can’t argue Jones out with all of the weak to horrendous CF inductees currently in (Averill, Carey, Combs, Duffy, Puckett, Roush, Waner, Wilson). Warner is worse than Baines. Nice to see Vizquel’s support dropping, not necessarily because he is a thug, but because he is did not have a hall of fame career. https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml I think the so-called "character clause" is just as divisive as the question of PEDs in the Hall or not. Some voters use it a deciding factor for borderline guys, rightly or wrongly. A guy like Vizquel has very borderline hard numbers, but was getting the benefit for his defense, longevity, and "being good for the game". He would've benefited had that good-guy narrative stuck. Take that last part away and he's on the other side of fence. Schilling objectively should be in, but people again use the character clause because they don't like him and need a justification for why they can vote against him and still feel good about their decision. I feel like Eddie Murray was another case like this back in the day because he was an ass to reporters - he just wanted to play ball, and he did it really, really well. The reporters/voters took took that as a slight and held him out for a long while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 ^Eddie Murray got in on the first ballot. 85% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, daggins said: That Rogers ballot makes me feel bad about baseball and life in general. Also this would be the first time in a while no one is elected, right? Like, quite a few years? I answered my own question - in 2013, the BBWAA inducted 0 players into the HOF. The veterans committee did, however. Prior to that, you have to go back to 1996 to find another 0-fer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Buehrle has 13 known votes, so he’s well on his way to staying in the ballot next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) Morosi voted for Buehrle, so that's 14 down , 6 to go to stay on the ballot. Someday they'll realize he belongs. Same with Tim Hudson and Johan Santana from that era of baseball, Edited January 12, 2021 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Update on Buehrle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 Good to see Buehrle get some votes and probably will stay on the ballot, but the weirdness of ballots this year is at a new level. Nobody is getting in but luckily they have last years class for a potential ceremony. Including Hawk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Announcement day is here. A lot of public votes pouring in this morning. Schilling will be close, but I think he’ll come up short and then have even fewer votes next year (his last year on the ballot), because of the recent comments. Buehrle needs about 6 votes from the half of the unknown ballots to remain next year. I’m interested to see where Tim Hudson ends up because he probably has a better case than Buehrle, yet he’ll probably fall off the ballot. Alex Rodriguez and David Ortiz and a few other good players join the crowded ballot next year. Announcement a little after 5pm central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleedawg Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 10:40 AM, MiddleCoastBias said: I think the so-called "character clause" is just as divisive as the question of PEDs in the Hall or not. Some voters use it a deciding factor for borderline guys, rightly or wrongly. A guy like Vizquel has very borderline hard numbers, but was getting the benefit for his defense, longevity, and "being good for the game". He would've benefited had that good-guy narrative stuck. Take that last part away and he's on the other side of fence. Schilling objectively should be in, but people again use the character clause because they don't like him and need a justification for why they can vote against him and still feel good about their decision. I feel like Eddie Murray was another case like this back in the day because he was an ass to reporters - he just wanted to play ball, and he did it really, really well. The reporters/voters took took that as a slight and held him out for a long while. I think you were thinking of Jim Rice, who like Murray, pissed off reporters and took forever to be elected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, flavum said: Announcement day is here. A lot of public votes pouring in this morning. Schilling will be close, but I think he’ll come up short and then have even fewer votes next year (his last year on the ballot), because of the recent comments. Buehrle needs about 6 votes from the half of the unknown ballots to remain next year. I’m interested to see where Tim Hudson ends up because he probably has a better case than Buehrle, yet he’ll probably fall off the ballot. Alex Rodriguez and David Ortiz and a few other good players join the crowded ballot next year. Announcement a little after 5pm central. The day of ballots are always cast at a lesser percentage than the early announcements, especially for borderline guys. If Schilling is right at 75% now, he won't make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 hours ago, flavum said: Announcement day is here. A lot of public votes pouring in this morning. Schilling will be close, but I think he’ll come up short and then have even fewer votes next year (his last year on the ballot), because of the recent comments. Buehrle needs about 6 votes from the half of the unknown ballots to remain next year. I’m interested to see where Tim Hudson ends up because he probably has a better case than Buehrle, yet he’ll probably fall off the ballot. Alex Rodriguez and David Ortiz and a few other good players join the crowded ballot next year. Announcement a little after 5pm central. I don't know if this will have actually happened, but it has been discussed apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I don't know if this will have actually happened, but it has been discussed apparently. An update that I heard was that it was a single voter - not numerous. Would Minoso be veterans eligible still? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, knightni said: Would Minoso be veterans eligible still? They didn't do a committee this year, but I'm sure Minoso will be considered again, and get in eventually. It really is a joke how Minnie was overlooked. Got a late start because of his color, and then he was the 2nd best AL player from 1951-1961. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: I don't know if this will have actually happened, but it has been discussed apparently. Curt is a fucking dope who makes a bigger idiot of himself as time goes on. That said, he's not in the HOF because of his politics. Let people keep their damn accolades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Buehrle has three more public votes since this morning. 17 down, 3 to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Schilling 71.1. 16 short. No way he gets in by the writers next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Buehrle, Hunter, and Hudson stay on. Torii got a big boost among the non public voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: The day of ballots are always cast at a lesser percentage than the early announcements, especially for borderline guys. If Schilling is right at 75% now, he won't make it. He fell to 71.1%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He fell to 71.1%. He probably thinks it’s the mail-in ballots that screwed him over Edited January 26, 2021 by fathom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, fathom said: He probably thinks it’s the mail-in ballots that screwed in over Oh this is delicious. This is why the laugh emoji exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmb0928 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Cancel culture strikes again. Don't agree with someone's politics and you get cancelled. Schilling will never get in and its too bad. Curt just needs to put some pictures of himself wearing a Biden shirt and he will get like 95% of the vote next year. It is sad we are actually letting whether you are a Dem or Rep determine whether you get into the HOF. Lets be honest, they both kind of suck. Free Speech used to be a pretty good thing in this country. And Jeff Kent I guess wasnt flashy enough either. Didnt kiss enough reporter ass apparently. His numbers are the best ever for 2nd basemen. He has the most HRs at 2B and has more RBIs than Mickey Mantle, Vlad Guerrero, Mark Mcgwire. Kind of crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmb0928 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, fathom said: He probably thinks it’s the mail-in ballots that screwed him over Now that was funny. Kudos to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, fathom said: He probably thinks it’s the mail-in ballots that screwed him over POTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, pmb0928 said: Cancel culture strikes again. Don't agree with someone's politics and you get cancelled. Schilling will never get in and its too bad. Curt just needs to put some pictures of himself wearing a Biden shirt and he will get like 95% of the vote next year. It is sad we are actually letting whether you are a Dem or Rep determine whether you get into the HOF. Lets be honest, they both kind of suck. Free Speech used to be a pretty good thing in this country. And Jeff Kent I guess wasnt flashy enough either. Didnt kiss enough reporter ass apparently. His numbers are the best ever for 2nd basemen. He has the most HRs at 2B and has more RBIs than Mickey Mantle, Vlad Guerrero, Mark Mcgwire. Kind of crazy The hall is a marketing tool for MLB. It's a giant commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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