bmags Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 58 minutes ago, TomPickle said: He did play 7 games in the NPB so he at least got a cup of coffee at that level last year and performed well for whatever that's worth. Hopefully there is a minor league season this year and I would guess if there is he would start at AA or maybe A+ on the cautious side. Then let him jump levels quickly if he shows he's ready, similar to Robert in 2019. And I do value NPB experience, it's really that he was still just in their minors that worries me. But you never know the circumstances, and I imagine there is never an easy transition but it may be especially difficult to go from Cuba to Japan on someone, if just due to written language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 The sox have benefited from very talented offensive players from Cuba. With the one exception being Dayon Visciedo. Marco Paddy does a great job finding these guys. Hopefully Colas isn't the second exception. There definitely seems to be talent there. Just how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, smellysox said: The sox have benefited from very talented offensive players from Cuba. With the one exception being Dayon Visciedo. Marco Paddy does a great job finding these guys. Hopefully Colas isn't the second exception. There definitely seems to be talent there. Just how much? Even Viciedo was a reasonably talented player. He just couldn't ever quite put it all together. But the tools were definitely there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, smellysox said: The sox have benefited from very talented offensive players from Cuba. With the one exception being Dayon Visciedo. Marco Paddy does a great job finding these guys. Hopefully Colas isn't the second exception. There definitely seems to be talent there. Just how much? They turned him into a pro player. That is always a win when you are dealing with 18 year old signings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just for confirmations sake, this means that Colas is totally a free agent, and not going through the Japanese posting system, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackowiakYakYak Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 What’s the scouting report on him? I can’t find any 20/80 tools rankings. All the articles are just obsessed with him being a two-way Shohei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, MackowiakYakYak said: What’s the scouting report on him? I can’t find any 20/80 tools rankings. All the articles are just obsessed with him being a two-way Shohei He’s more hitter than pitcher. Calling him another Ohtani is definitely pushing it. He also hasn’t really pitched all that much. Looks like he could have the ability too though, as he hits mid-90’s with his FB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: He’s more hitter than pitcher. Calling him another Ohtani is definitely pushing it. He also hasn’t really pitched all that much. Looks like he could have the ability too though, as he hits mid-90’s with his FB. He's thrown like 1/3 of an inning more than Davidson haha I think you're right that people say that because he has a good arm, but then you can say that about others around the game too, especially catchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Tbh, with La Russa as manager is expect all two-way usage to be dead on arrival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Quin said: Tbh, with La Russa as manager is expect all two-way usage to be dead on arrival. Good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I honestly think Colas to the Sox is about as close to a done deal as you can get without it being a done deal. I'd be shocked at this point if he lands anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Signing Colas (or Cespedes) basically to me means they aren't seriously pursuing Springer. And frankly I don't want them to pursue Springer heavily. $25mm/yr can be spent better elsewhere on the diamond. Just look at a guy like Rosario who just cleared waivers ... the value of a RF is less than elsewhere on the diamond. Spend $6-12mm and get yourself a 1-2 year guy in Rosario or Pederson and then reassess where you stand with Colas or Cespedes after that time. That saves you $10-20mm annually by signing one of those guys, lowers your long term risk, and also gives you .... 60-75%? of the production at 20-50% of the cost. offense isn't our problem. Arms are needed to get us over the hump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: Signing Colas (or Cespedes) basically to me means they aren't seriously pursuing Springer. I don't think its relevant. A team doesn't stop acquiring prospects because it has a major league player. Edited December 2, 2020 by Vulture 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: Signing Colas (or Cespedes) basically to me means they aren't seriously pursuing Springer. And frankly I don't want them to pursue Springer heavily. $25mm/yr can be spent better elsewhere on the diamond. Just look at a guy like Rosario who just cleared waivers ... the value of a RF is less than elsewhere on the diamond. Spend $6-12mm and get yourself a 1-2 year guy in Rosario or Pederson and then reassess where you stand with Colas or Cespedes after that time. That saves you $10-20mm annually by signing one of those guys, lowers your long term risk, and also gives you .... 60-75%? of the production at 20-50% of the cost. offense isn't our problem. Arms are needed to get us over the hump Colas is not a guy for 2021, or even maybe 22. He also doesn't stop you from going after Springer. If Colas does pan out, you worry about that down the road. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: Signing Colas (or Cespedes) basically to me means they aren't seriously pursuing Springer. And frankly I don't want them to pursue Springer heavily. $25mm/yr can be spent better elsewhere on the diamond. Just look at a guy like Rosario who just cleared waivers ... the value of a RF is less than elsewhere on the diamond. Spend $6-12mm and get yourself a 1-2 year guy in Rosario or Pederson and then reassess where you stand with Colas or Cespedes after that time. That saves you $10-20mm annually by signing one of those guys, lowers your long term risk, and also gives you .... 60-75%? of the production at 20-50% of the cost. offense isn't our problem. Arms are needed to get us over the hump I don't agree with that idea, Eloy isn't long for the outfield and will eventually take over as DH in the not too distant future. Signing Colas or Cespedes both whom need time in the minors (Colas possibly less as evidence by his cup of coffee) could easily slot in LF or move Springer to LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Mark me down as preferring Colas to Céspedes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, smellysox said: The sox have benefited from very talented offensive players from Cuba. With the one exception being Dayon Visciedo. Marco Paddy does a great job finding these guys. Hopefully Colas isn't the second exception. There definitely seems to be talent there. Just how much? well even beyond Paddy's expertise,these two guys are highly touted across all of baseball. these don't sound like guys who were expertly scouted or something lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 58 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: Signing Colas (or Cespedes) basically to me means they aren't seriously pursuing Springer. And frankly I don't want them to pursue Springer heavily. $25mm/yr can be spent better elsewhere on the diamond. Just look at a guy like Rosario who just cleared waivers ... the value of a RF is less than elsewhere on the diamond. Spend $6-12mm and get yourself a 1-2 year guy in Rosario or Pederson and then reassess where you stand with Colas or Cespedes after that time. That saves you $10-20mm annually by signing one of those guys, lowers your long term risk, and also gives you .... 60-75%? of the production at 20-50% of the cost. offense isn't our problem. Arms are needed to get us over the hump I agree. Get Joc for 1-2 years. Pair him up with Engel or Leury and the put most of your chips into the middle of the table for pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Let's just overpay Yoenis to DH and tell him to throw some cash his bros way and sign both Colas and Cespedes. Lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Vulture said: I don't think its relevant. A team doesn't stop acquiring prospects because it has a major league player. And they can simply move Eloy to DH once Jose’s contract runs out, opening up LF for Colas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Vulture said: I don't think its relevant. A team doesn't stop acquiring prospects because it has a major league player. This x100000 was trying to make this point the other day to someone but they didn't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Colas is a RF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just going off of what we've heard and seen on social media, it seems like Colas is coming to the Sox. But then I hear about him having as workout for other teams and it seems a bit confusing as to why he would still be working out for other teams at this point if so many things/people indicate that he's going to be in Chicago. Just seems a bit strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 13 hours ago, poppysox said: Colas has Chicago White Sox written all over him. No, that's the guy standing next to him in the picture. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 10 hours ago, BrianAnderson said: Signing Colas (or Cespedes) basically to me means they aren't seriously pursuing Springer. And frankly I don't want them to pursue Springer heavily. $25mm/yr can be spent better elsewhere on the diamond. Just look at a guy like Rosario who just cleared waivers ... the value of a RF is less than elsewhere on the diamond. Spend $6-12mm and get yourself a 1-2 year guy in Rosario or Pederson and then reassess where you stand with Colas or Cespedes after that time. That saves you $10-20mm annually by signing one of those guys, lowers your long term risk, and also gives you .... 60-75%? of the production at 20-50% of the cost. offense isn't our problem. Arms are needed to get us over the hump It means they aren't complete dopes. They have over 2m left to spend on free agents. Why wouldn't they use that on a top 100 prospect? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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