South Side Hit Men Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Baseball Prospectus posted their Top 10 White Sox Prospect list, which I haven't seen posted here. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/article/63146/2021-prospects-chicago-white-sox-top-10-prospects/ Here are the Top 10 & (2020 rank), and their projection for each. Nick Madrigal (2) - 60 / More singles than a Beatles album Andrew Vaughn (4) - 60 / Occasional All-Star first baseman Garrett Crochet (-) - 60 / Front-line starter or elite closer Michael Kopech (3) - 60 / No. 2/3 starter or first-division closer Dane Dunning (6) - 60 / No. 3 starter Jared Kelley (-) - 55 / Mid-rotation starter or hard-throwing reliever Jonathan Stiever (5) - 55 / No. 3/4 starter Andrew Dalquist (-) - 50 / No. 4 starter Codi Heuer (-) - 50 / Late inning arm Avery Weems (-) - 50 / Late inning arm 2020 Graduate: Luis Robert (1) - 2020 Projection 70 / Elite two-way center fielder with speed and pop. 2020 Top Ten not in 2021 Top Ten: Luis Alexander Basabe (7); Zach Collins (8); Gavin Sheets (9); Lenyn Sosa (10). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Avery Weems? Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Baseball Prospectus posted their Top 10 White Sox Prospect list, which I haven't seen posted here. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/article/63146/2021-prospects-chicago-white-sox-top-10-prospects/ Here are the Top 10 & (2020 rank), and their projection for each. Nick Madrigal (2) - 60 / More singles than a Beatles album Andrew Vaughn (4) - 60 / Occasional All-Star first baseman Garrett Crochet (-) - 60 / Front-line starter or elite closer Michael Kopech (3) - 60 / No. 2/3 starter or first-division closer Dane Dunning (6) - 60 / No. 3 starter Jared Kelley (-) - 55 / Mid-rotation starter or hard-throwing reliever Jonathan Stiever (5) - 55 / No. 3/4 starter Andrew Dalquist (-) - 50 / No. 4 starter Codi Heuer (-) - 50 / Late inning arm Avery Weems (-) - 50 / Late inning arm 2020 Graduate: Luis Robert (1) - 2020 Projection 70 / Elite two-way center fielder with speed and pop. 2020 Top Ten not in 2021 Top Ten: Luis Alexander Basabe (7); Zach Collins (8); Gavin Sheets (9); Lenyn Sosa (10). That's.....a list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 BP is trying to do too much with what it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Not gonna lie. I have no idea who or what an Avery Weems is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Avery Weems? Ok. Can Weems be the headliner in a trade for Lance Lynn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just now, wegner said: Can Weems be the headliner in a trade for Lance Lynn? Deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Deal. I'll draw up the papers...and get them to return Steele Walker as a sweetener whIle I'm at it...if they want our #10 prospect, the Rangers are gonna have to pay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 All of you will rue the day you ever besmirched one Avery Weems. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Not gonna lie. I have no idea who or what an Avery Weems is. If you remember the 2019 draft, we went big with vaughn/thompson/dalquist/beard then the rest of our 10 rounds were a lot of seniors or budget signings due to those four taking all the budget. Weems was our 6th rounder, a senior our of AZ, but he was ranked 431 by BA, so that inflates a bit where he was pictured to go. He did do great, but he was a 22 year old in Rookie and Great Falls. Here was his scouting reporT: Ranked #431 prospect in 2017 draft An Arizona commit, Weems is from the northern part of the state, in Flagstaff, where he dominated as a prep. As a freshman, he was a midweek starter as Yavapai won the NJCAA World Series, and he made a leap as a sophomore, tossing five (seven-inning) complete games and striking out 12 per nine. He gets most of his whiffs with either an average fastball, which can sit 87-91 mph and touch 92 at times. His fastball has some sink while his breaking ball, a hard slider, can show some depth and flash above-average. Weems has improved his delivery, staying taller, keeping the ball and down and getting ground ball outs when he isn't missing bats. From instructionals, the "unknown" guy we started hearing about was Carranza, so this kinda comes out of no where and I just have a hard time believing this dude is really noteworthy now unless he found a bunch of velocity and...I don't trust BP would have been tipped off on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Poor Weems... he is basically living on no income https://www.google.com/amp/s/azdailysun.com/sports/local/avery-weems-grinds-through-pandemic-minor-league-baseball-uncertainty/article_f22363f6-d78e-55be-adc8-97c06b9a1c95.amp.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, NCsoxfan said: Poor Weems... he is basically living on no income https://www.google.com/amp/s/azdailysun.com/sports/local/avery-weems-grinds-through-pandemic-minor-league-baseball-uncertainty/article_f22363f6-d78e-55be-adc8-97c06b9a1c95.amp.html Hoping MLB loses the Senne case and have to pay all of the minor league players they refused to pay even minimum wage to. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/62717/senne-v-mlb-could-bring-change-to-milb-players-from-past-present-and-future/ "Let those players go on food stamps, I need another billion before I croak." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I know the focus is on Weems but the biggest stretch in that list is Madrigal as a better prospect than Vaughn, Crochet, and Kopech. IMO it's arguable he should also be below Dunning, Stiever & Kelly (I would probably rank him that way). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Also I wanted to say that I see people are shitting on Phil Rogers again in another thread. I believe it was BA that Phil Rogers used to write for back in the "man-child" Juan Silverio days, where Phil the dipshit would call up Dave Wilder and just start writing down whatever he was told, then post it in the prospects list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: I know the focus is on Weems but the biggest stretch in that list is Madrigal as a better prospect than Vaughn, Crochet, and Kopech. IMO it's arguable he should also be below Dunning, Stiever & Kelly (I would probably rank him that way). Here, let me like this post twice for Harold and I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Avery Weems? Ok. Not sure if we should be excited or this is lazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I’m excited to see trade proposals include Weems now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: I know the focus is on Weems but the biggest stretch in that list is Madrigal as a better prospect than Vaughn, Crochet, and Kopech. IMO it's arguable he should also be below Dunning, Stiever & Kelly (I would probably rank him that way). People that love Madrigal--Rankings--40 by MLB Pipeline, 48 by Baseball America, 41 by Fangraphs ,13 on Baseball Prospectus...Longenhagen, USA Today baseball, Rotowire, FutureSox, college scouts, minor league scouts, White Sox management. People that hate Madrigal...Keith Law (hates all White Sox players) Soxtalk (hates all white sox players). 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, michelangelosmonkey said: People that love Madrigal--Rankings--40 by MLB Pipeline, 48 by Baseball America, 41 by Fangraphs ,13 on Baseball Prospectus...Longenhagen, USA Today baseball, Rotowire, FutureSox, college scouts, minor league scouts, White Sox management. People that hate Madrigal...Keith Law (hates all White Sox players) Soxtalk (hates all white sox players). I hope there is another team out there who values both Madrigal and Weems so highly and is also willing to trade young players and prospects. If there is, I want to make a deal with that team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: Baseball Prospectus posted their Top 10 White Sox Prospect list, which I haven't seen posted here. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/article/63146/2021-prospects-chicago-white-sox-top-10-prospects/ Here are the Top 10 & (2020 rank), and their projection for each. Nick Madrigal (2) - 60 / More singles than a Beatles album Andrew Vaughn (4) - 60 / Occasional All-Star first baseman Garrett Crochet (-) - 60 / Front-line starter or elite closer Michael Kopech (3) - 60 / No. 2/3 starter or first-division closer Dane Dunning (6) - 60 / No. 3 starter Jared Kelley (-) - 55 / Mid-rotation starter or hard-throwing reliever Jonathan Stiever (5) - 55 / No. 3/4 starter Andrew Dalquist (-) - 50 / No. 4 starter Codi Heuer (-) - 50 / Late inning arm Avery Weems (-) - 50 / Late inning arm 2020 Graduate: Luis Robert (1) - 2020 Projection 70 / Elite two-way center fielder with speed and pop. 2020 Top Ten not in 2021 Top Ten: Luis Alexander Basabe (7); Zach Collins (8); Gavin Sheets (9); Lenyn Sosa (10). I love the optimism of these valuations, but Avery Weems a 50 FV prospect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, fathom said: Here, let me like this post twice for Harold and I I’m starting to think you and Harold are split personalities of the same person 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Can someone with access post the Weems write up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Surprised to see dalquist ranked above thompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, michelangelosmonkey said: People that love Madrigal--Rankings--40 by MLB Pipeline, 48 by Baseball America, 41 by Fangraphs ,13 on Baseball Prospectus...Longenhagen, USA Today baseball, Rotowire, FutureSox, college scouts, minor league scouts, White Sox management. People that hate Madrigal...Keith Law (hates all White Sox players) Soxtalk (hates all white sox players). Don't forget to include Fathom/Jack Parkman specifically...and Greg is skeptical because the one player who can bunt against the infield shift isn't interesting enough I guess. I do remember he (Madrigal) was getting murdered by doubters because of his quite pedestrian numbers after his first limited exposure to pro ball...seems he just never was 100% with all the lingering injuries that season. Edited December 3, 2020 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Don't forget to include Fathom/Jack Parkman specifically...and Greg is skeptical because the one player who can bunt against the infield shift isn't interesting enough I guess. And Zack Hample, who knows he will never catch a Madrigal homer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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