almagest Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, fathom said: Hell no to Grandal in the top 4 of the order going forward Him and Robert probably swap assuming Robert gets back to being great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtheballdown Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Also if there is two out and thome is up against a lefty there is no benefit to having mashers up right after him. It was thome or nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, runtheballdown said: As much as I liked Jim thome I can remember most of the time when he came up to bat in the later innings in a key situation that the other team brought in their lefty and it was usually a strikeout. It would be worse than thome with schwarber. He’s brutal. Well, like, omg, yeaaaah. Teams try their best to win games. The key is to have guys that are plus players over a period of time. And Schwarber would bat 7th in our lineup at best next year, so we don't need him to be a clutch star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, SonofaRoache said: Well, like, omg, yeaaaah. Teams try their best to win games. The key is to have guys that are plus players over a period of time. And Schwarber would bat 7th in our lineup at best next year, so we don't need him to be a clutch star. Depending on Eloy to stay healthy all year is scary. Schwarber makes a ton of sense if Vaughn isn’t up until halfway through the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Would have np signing Joc, Schwarber, Dahl all to 1-3 year deals depending on AAV. Some good left handed bats, you can never have too many bats in the long gruelling season! These guys cost so little, only issue would be how many roster spots do we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, fathom said: Hell no to Grandal in the top 4 of the order going forward The sooner Eloy and or Robert push Grandal down in the order the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, SouthWallace said: The sooner Eloy and or Robert push Grandal down in the order the better. Moncada 2 Pederson 5 Grandal 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SouthWallace said: The sooner Eloy and or Robert push Grandal down in the order the better. Assuming Moncada recovers, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be Timmy, Moncada, Abreu and Eloy for the next two seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, fathom said: Assuming Moncada recovers, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be Timmy, Moncada, Abreu and Eloy for the next two seasons. Correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, fathom said: Assuming Moncada recovers, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be Timmy, Moncada, Abreu and Eloy for the next two seasons. Agree. I don't want to see Grandal hit higher than 5th going forward. Robert can climb into the middle of the order the more he acclimates and excels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) Edited December 7, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Can always count on Soxtalk for a discussion that starts at "Should the Sox sign Schwarber" and veers into "yea well Thome sucks against LHP anyways" 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: Agree. I don't want to see Grandal hit higher than 5th going forward. Robert can climb into the middle of the order the more he acclimates and excels. This makes no sense. His primary worth on offense is standing like a statute and drawing walks, secondary is for the times he does swing he connects enough times to hit home runs. He is third on the team in OBP, and fourth in OPS. Second makes most sense, to allow others to knock him in. If he bats 5th or 6th, his walks don't score nearly enough. Proposed lineup / Career OPS (R) Anderson .751 (L) Grandal .793 (R) Abreu .870 (R) Jimenez .848 (L) Moncada .783 (R) Robert .738 TBD RF/DH TBD RF/DH (R) Madrigal .745 Edited December 8, 2020 by South Side Hit Men 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: This makes no sense. His primary worth on offense is standing like a statute and drawing walks, secondary is for the times he does swing he connects enough times to hit home runs. He is third on the team in OBP, and fourth in OPS. Second makes most sense, to allow others to knock him in. If he bats 5th or 6th, his walks don't score nearly enough. Proposed lineup / Career OPS (R) Anderson .751 (L) Grandal .793 (R) Abreu .870 (R) Jimenez .848 (L) Moncada .783 (R) Robert .738 TBD RF/DH TBD RF/DH (R) Madrigal .745 I don't want to derail this thread any further, but Moncada's speed, power, and elite eye can do everything you want Grandal to do batting 2nd without clogging the order or making lazy outs ahead of the heart of the order. He also scores from 1st on anything in the gaps or into the corners. He's my 2 hitter every day he's healthy and on the field. Grandal can stand like a statue working walks lower in the order after the Sox put a few across the plate ahead of him. Edited December 8, 2020 by SouthWallace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: I don't want to derail this thread any further, but Moncada's speed, power, and elite eye can do everything you want Grandal to do batting 2nd without clogging the order or making lazy outs ahead of the heart of the order. He also scores from 1st on anything in the gaps or into the corners. He's my 2 hitter every day he's healthy and on the field. Grandal can stand like a statue working walks lower in the order after the Sox put a across the plate ahead of him. This. I also expect Yoan to bounce back this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he posts an OBP similar to Grandal's. Moncada should be our 2-hole hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said: This. I also expect Yoan to bounce back this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he posts an OBP similar to Grandal's. Moncada should be our 2-hole hitter. Agreed. Switch Moncada and Grandal in that above lineup and I'm good with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: I don't want to derail this thread any further, but Moncada's speed, power, and elite eye can do everything you want Grandal to do batting 2nd without clogging the order or making lazy outs ahead of the heart of the order. He also scores from 1st on anything in the gaps or into the corners. He's my 2 hitter every day he's healthy and on the field. Grandal can stand like a statue working walks lower in the order after the Sox put a few across the plate ahead of him. These are good points. I do expect Moncada to have a better season next year, and looking at the splits, Moncada should bat second over Grandal against RH Starters. Career OPS Splits presented below: Versus RHP: (R) Anderson .709; (L) Moncada .813; (R) Abreu .853; (R) Jimenez .864; (L) Grandal .797; (R) Robert .718; DH/RF; DH/RF; & (R) Madrigal .821. Versus LHP: (R) Anderson .869; (R) Grandal .781; (R) Abreu .927; (R) Jimenez .801; (R) Robert .807; Moncada .702; DH/RF; DH/RF; Madrigal .455 (small sample size 22 ABs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) It would be pretty disappointing if the Sox don't acquire a bat good enough to bump Grandal further down the order against rhp. Plug in Pederson at five leave Robert at 6 and put Grandal at 7. Might as well bump Robert up to the two spot against lefties as well. Ought to give him the best protection possible. Grandal should be sufficient at the fifth spot there. I'm guessing Vaughn will tear up lefties though and bumps him to 6. Ideally Grandal ends up batting in 6th to 8th spot. He's a pretty good hitter for a catcher but he's not that good. Edited December 8, 2020 by Vulture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 year 10 mil to the nationals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Whew. So glad we dodged this bullet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 So the Nats replace Eaton with Schwarber and Schwarber is more expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 At that price...big nope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 12/8/2020 at 5:14 AM, Vulture said: It would be pretty disappointing if the Sox don't acquire a bat good enough to bump Grandal further down the order against rhp. Plug in Pederson at five leave Robert at 6 and put Grandal at 7. Might as well bump Robert up to the two spot against lefties as well. Ought to give him the best protection possible. Grandal should be sufficient at the fifth spot there. I'm guessing Vaughn will tear up lefties though and bumps him to 6. Ideally Grandal ends up batting in 6th to 8th spot. He's a pretty good hitter for a catcher but he's not that good. I know our lineup construction will be much improved with TL. Not to worry! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackowiakYakYak Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 For anyone questioning the dollar amount, what do you think Schwarber is worth? He’s got a great bat, hits lefty, and will be a 2-3 WAR player most years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 so do you think this means the DH is coming back to the NL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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