Jack Parkman Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Quin said: Except if you trade Grandal after one (pandemic shortened) season where he was still a net positive, no big free agents are going to sign here. Don't do it unless you know if you can continue to sign free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said: Sox Get: Brandon Woodruff Christian Yelich Brewers Get Tons of Salary relief and: Vaughn Cease Dunning Collins Adolfo I love this, I really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) Just now, fathom said: I love this, I really do. I don't think Jerry's wallet likes it. That's a deal I could live with though. Edited December 4, 2020 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: Sox Get: Brandon Woodruff Christian Yelich Brewers Get Tons of Salary relief and: Vaughn Cease Dunning Collins Adolfo I am going to guess with the Cubs seeming to take some steps backwards, both Milwaukee and St Louis won't be selling at the very least. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: White Sox get: Nick Senzel and Amir Garrett Reds get: Michael Kopech and Nick Burdi Poor Zack. Second fiddle in his own mock trade 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, bmags said: Poor Zack. Second fiddle in his own mock trade Is Nick even pitching in 2021? Last I remember his elbow exploded a la Joel Zumaya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, fathom said: And always hurt and Kopech is always healthy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I am going to guess with the Cubs seeming to take some steps backwards, both Milwaukee and St Louis won't be selling at the very least. Yeah and while Yelich was bad last year, if I were a GM/owner, I'd be willing to give guys a pass in this weird pandemic shortened season. Edited December 4, 2020 by manbearpuig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, Harold's Leg Lift said: and Kopech is always healthy? No, but he got injured once. He looks like he made a smart move opting out, as a lot of pitchers got injured in 2020, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: and Kopech is always healthy? God no, but rather have a better fit in RF than Senzel. Sox don’t need his versatility, which is one of his biggest strengths. I’m all for trading Kopech in the right deal though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, manbearpuig said: Yeah and while Yelich was bad last year, I'd be willing to give guys a pass in this weird pandemic shortened season. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/christian-yelich-turned-into-joey-gallo-for-a-year/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/christian-yelich-turned-into-joey-gallo-for-a-year/ being in a new league and a full spring training would be hopeful for a rebound. His outfielding would be great and he can still be a DH towards the end of the contract. It was the weirdest trade I could think of that benefits both teams and fills immediate needs for the Sox. Sign Brantley as DH, a backup catcher and the offseason is over. Edited December 4, 2020 by EloyJenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Rutherford, Flores, and Sheets to Arizona for Kole Calhoun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: holy shit that's bad Sox could probably get him just for taking on his contract. They can have Bernardo Flores. Why would we want this guy anyway? Are we trying to get worse? Just start Dunning, he's already here and isn't making $17M next year. His contract is one year with an option so it's really not that bad, but if he performs then you can hang out to him for 4 more years at a reasonable price. He improved across the board last year and I can get if you think that's just small sample, but his batted ball data also drastically improved. Much better K/9, HR%, GB% in 2020 than 2019. The only reason his ERA was so high was because his strand rate was the third worst in baseball among pitchers with at least 40 IP and his HR rate was 10th best in baseball. Just an anomaly, really. He's a guy I think you can buy low on from a bad team that is likely trying to cut costs. I don't think the White Sox are really giving up anything of value here, but you may be right that they could offer less or maybe ask for $3 or $4 million in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, fathom said: God no, but rather have a better fit in RF than Senzel. Sox don’t need his versatility, which is one of his biggest strengths. I’m all for trading Kopech in the right deal though. He can really hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Madrigal, Cease, Dunning and Collins for Bogaerts, Eovaldi and some cash. You play Bogaerts at 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, TomPickle said: His contract is one year with an option so it's really not that bad, but if he performs then you can hang out to him for 4 more years at a reasonable price. He improved across the board last year and I can get if you think that's just small sample, but his batted ball data also drastically improved. Much better K/9, HR%, GB% in 2020 than 2019. The only reason his ERA was so high was because his strand rate was the third worst in baseball among pitchers with at least 40 IP and his HR rate was 10th best in baseball. Just an anomaly, really. He's a guy I think you can buy low on from a bad team that is likely trying to cut costs. I don't think the White Sox are really giving up anything of value here, but you may be right that they could offer less or maybe ask for $3 or $4 million in the deal. I'm with you. From 2019 to 2020, Kikuchi's: K% went from 16% to 25% FB Velocity went from 92.5 to 95 mph doubled the whiff % on his fastball cut his barrel % in half, increased his GB% over 50% His ERA was over 5, his FIP was 3.3, his xERA was 3.17. I do think you could get him for less, but if he pitches to his true numbers last year you end up with an affordable contract you hold for next 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Madrigal, Cease, Dunning and Collins for Bogaerts, Eovaldi and some cash. You play Bogaerts at 2B. You'd lose bogaerts next year and be paying him a lot this year. I don't mind Eovaldi flyer, say we don't give up that much pitching. We'd get to use Eovaldi as he was when he was his most vlauable to the red sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Is this one of those specific target threads we have to use now instead of the off season targets thread that was closed ? That's 2 threads recently closed where it was just people talking to people about stuff stemming from baseball discussions. Lot of people can't distinguish Madden/2K/The Show from reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, bmags said: I'm with you. From 2019 to 2020, Kikuchi's: K% went from 16% to 25% FB Velocity went from 92.5 to 95 mph doubled the whiff % on his fastball cut his barrel % in half, increased his GB% over 50% His ERA was over 5, his FIP was 3.3, his xERA was 3.17. I do think you could get him for less, but if he pitches to his true numbers last year you end up with an affordable contract you hold for next 4 years. Sounds like left handed Javy Vazquez. He's the guy I bring up constantly for pitchers that consistently underperform their peripherals. Edited December 4, 2020 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Sox get: Kyle Tucker and Lance McCullers Astros get: Michael Kopech and Andrew Vaughn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Sox get: Kyle Tucker and Lance McCullers Astros get: Michael Kopech and Andrew Vaughn Can Tucker play RF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 He'll knock in more than he lets in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Sox get: Kyle Tucker and Lance McCullers Astros get: Michael Kopech and Andrew Vaughn Can't see the Astros being to eager to deal another OF when they are losing 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Just now, manbearpuig said: Can't see the Astros being to eager to deal another OF when they are losing 3. That organization needs an enema. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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