Danny Dravot Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Okay so this: Harper + Wheeler for Grandal + Keuchel + Cease + Heuer + Adolfo Sign Realmuto The point of signing a Bauer or trading for a Wheeler is that we have two really good SPs and then junk. What is the purpose of acquiring another good one while giving up one of the two we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 For the record, Wheeler has 4 years and $96.5M left on his deal, so effectively a $24.1M AAV. Given Harper’s no trade clause and McCutcheon being unreadable, Wheeler is without question the one piece they could move to quickly free up some payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: For the record, Wheeler has 4 years and $96.5M left on his deal, so effectively a $24.1M AAV. Given Harper’s no trade clause and McCutcheon being unreadable, Wheeler is without question the one piece they could move to quickly free up some payroll. I can’t see teams trading for Wheeler with that contract unless the asking price is very low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 What do you guys give up for Wheeler, assuming they don't eat any money in the deal? Stiever + Micker? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ Sign me up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ The Sox should just take on Wheeler’s whole contract and not have to give up Dunning. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ I wonder if the only way a deal gets done is if the Phillies eat some cash. I'd rather the Sox eat his entire salary and not have to deal Dunning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said: It is everything, really. So is that a list of the pitchers you'd like to see on the team most to least (regardless of expected cost in terms of prospect return), or a list factoring in what is in your head as the likely acquisition cost? The latter. I just don’t like paying for control. Would rather just pay for talent deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear_brian Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Add Wheeler (21.5), Pederson (10), Quintana (10), Colome (8) and McGee (7) and Sox payroll goes to about $ 160M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, bear_brian said: Add Wheeler (21.5), Pederson (10), Quintana (10), Colome (8) and McGee (7) and Sox payroll goes to about $ 160M. If they add Wheeler, I don't think you add Q. Sox can hedge their bets on Kopech/Dunning/Cease for the 4 and 5 spots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said: If they add Wheeler, I don't think you add Q. Sox can hedge their bets on Kopech/Dunning/Cease for the 4 and 5 spots. That's the $64k question. Can they get Wheeler without trading Cease or Dunning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Great news. Puts another TOR arm in play and increases our chances of landing a high quality pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) I would include Dunning in a trade for Wheeler. Your not handicapping your future because you would still have pitching depth in the minors with Kopech, Stiever, Crochet, Kelley, Thompson and Dalquist. Edited December 6, 2020 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: That's the $64k question. Can they get Wheeler without trading Cease or Dunning? They should. Only 2 teams in the league wanted him at his given contract. He bolstered his value a but this year, but is also a year older. A deal revolving around Stiever while eating all his payroll is what I would do. Otherwise, just freaking sign Trevor Bauer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 53 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: We can't pay the salary that Philadelphia bid in free agency and throw in meaningful prospects in addition. The Phils need to settle for salary relief and a token prospect or two. Emphasis on "token." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: I would include Dunning in a trade for Wheeler. Your not handicapping your future because you would still have pitching depth in the minors with Kopech, Stiever, Crochet, Kelley, Thompson and Dalquist. I have a bad feeling that a Dunning trade will really bite us in the ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 There is no better fit for this offense than Harper. Would rather have him than Wheeler, to be honest. I have a feeling Phillies would be open to trading him. Also, this guy had the Wheeler stuff yesterday and said Harper is available. https://mobile.twitter.com/brian_jenks/status/1335285192752238595 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Dunning, Foster and a prospect OF for Wheeler and some $$ Yeah, that's not a horrible idea, depending on how much money Phili kicks in. What do you think is reasonable if that's the trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtheballdown Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I’d start off with offering to pay 75% of wheelers contract and that’s it. They are not getting any players of note. None. they are in a tough spot, only a limited number of teams can absorb a K like wheelers so the time is perfect to be a buyer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 According to Roster Resource, Wheeler is owed a bit more than 21.5/yr. Zack Wheeler 30.5 5 yr, $118M (2020-24) $23,600,000 $22,500,000 $26,000,000 $24,500,000 $23,500,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said: I have a bad feeling that a Dunning trade will really bite us in the ass. I’m not even high on Dunning and that trade worries me. Phillies better be eating a decent amount to include that much in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, fathom said: There is no better fit for this offense than Harper. Would rather have him than Wheeler, to be honest. I have a feeling Phillies would be open to trading him. Also, this guy had the Wheeler stuff yesterday and said Harper is available. https://mobile.twitter.com/brian_jenks/status/1335285192752238595 There's just no way the sox take on Harper's contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtheballdown Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 And no Harper. As soon as he left the Nats theNats won.coincidence? I think not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I’d give up Kopech, Cease, Dunning, Vaughn for Wheeler AND Harper in a heartbeat, it won’t happen but I’m just saying I would not be hesistant to include any of those guys for *BOTH* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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