maloney.adam Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, tray said: What top prospects have they traded in all honesty? Tatis Jr,? I would rather stand pat in terms of trades at the Winter meetings. Add a FA starter, sign FA James McCann, sign Oscar Colas, get to Spring Training, and evaluate the talent we have. You must enjoy them coming in second or third every year. Edited December 7, 2020 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: In a 60 game sample, I hope we’re not the team buying into that. He also has been streaky in his career so a 60 game sample can be really misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, SCCWS said: He also has been streaky in his career so a 60 game sample can be really misleading. Especially when it was really just an incredible sept/oct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 hours ago, tray said: What top prospects have they traded in all honesty? Tatis Jr,? I would rather stand pat in terms of trades at the Winter meetings. Add a FA starter, sign FA James McCann, sign Oscar Colas, get to Spring Training, and evaluate the talent we have. Tatis Jr was not a top prospect when he was traded. He was a lotto ticket that hit big 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 When are the winter meetings? Tomorrow-Thurs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: When are the winter meetings? Tomorrow-Thurs? Actually start today, but everything is virtual. The Rule 5 draft is on Thursday at the end of the meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: When are the winter meetings? Tomorrow-Thurs? Get your TV on to not miss out, they start today. Edited December 7, 2020 by SonofaRoache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just doesn't seem as exciting considering GMs can already call either other or video chat. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see a lot of activity going on at this year's "winter meetings." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: Just doesn't seem as exciting considering GMs can already call either other or video chat. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see a lot of activity going on at this year's "winter meetings." I think it will be about the same because they probably called it a month after the season. Teams were focused on FA strategy and the tender deadline, and then Thanksgiving. Now they have their plans together and can finally talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 hours ago, PolishPrince34 said: Jeremy Reed might be the highest prospect they have traded in recent memory (17 years lol) and that worked out well. How high was he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) The bottom line, like another poster said, is that they can't afford to trade prospects like Kopech and Vaughn when Jerry refuses to shop at the top of the FA market. The Dunning and Stiever types? Sure. There are players I'd trade Dane Dunning for. Edited December 7, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: The bottom line, like another poster said, is that they can't afford to trade prospects like Kopech and Vaughn when Jerry refuses to shop at the top of the FA market. The Dunning and Stiever types? Sure. There are players I'd trade Dane Dunning for. Well said. Exactly the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I am still trying to understand if this winter meetings is less arbitrary than the already arbitrary winter meetings as a time period to sign players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, bmags said: I am still trying to understand if this winter meetings is less arbitrary than the already arbitrary winter meetings as a time period to sign players. Absolutely, I don’t get how this isn’t just a regular Monday in the offseason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: The bottom line, like another poster said, is that they can't afford to trade prospects like Kopech and Vaughn when Jerry refuses to shop at the top of the FA market. The Dunning and Stiever types? Sure. There are players I'd trade Dane Dunning for. You can trade players like Kopech, but you need to get back All-Stars with several years control in return. And you still can't trade Stiever or Dunning for a player like Lynn. Maybe Musgrove and an extension, but not Lynn. You can trade anyone but you need to get the right kind of long-term value back in return. A big determinant of what the Sox will be able to do will be the number of playoff teams allowed in 2021. If like half the league gets in then the Sox will be hampered by a deadline with few sellers (again). If it goes back to normal then there will be more sellers, and also more teams clamining to be "hurting financially," which will help the Sox in such deals. Remember what the Astros traded for Cole and also what they traded for Verlander. The Yankees took on Stanton for very little aside from the money. We don't need to give up any excellent prospect to make those kinds of deals. But we will likely need to benefit from an enviornment with a greater number of sellers at the deadline looking to unload money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, fathom said: Absolutely, I don’t get how this isn’t just a regular Monday in the offseason Things probably should move slowly until the NL knows if they have a DH or not. That will change their whole offseason approach. Lots of the offensive players on the market like Brantley are really more of a DH anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, YourWhatHurts said: Things probably should move slowly until the NL knows if they have a DH or not. That will change their whole offseason approach. Lots of the offensive players on the market like Brantley are really more of a DH anyway. As well as the latest on the vaccine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, fathom said: As well as the latest on the vaccine It seems like April should be okay, definitely May. Maybe they move ST to May 1 and the regular season starts May 24th or something like that, just to be safe, and they can plan for filling blocks of seats at least 6 feet apart until mid-June or something. But yeah it would help to know that stuff also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Things probably should move slowly until the NL knows if they have a DH or not. That will change their whole offseason approach. Lots of the offensive players on the market like Brantley are really more of a DH anyway. Rosenthal said today DH is very unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 ^I think the biggest hurdle for vaccine stuff etc. is the ST camp with all of the players and the management of the MiLB situation. It's going to be easier to put checks on the MLB stuff but the MiLB situations have a ton less money and there really can't be too much paid oversight anywhere. And can all the MiLB players and staffs get the vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Rosenthal said today DH is very unlikely That is a real bad move. The league should just push the PA to accept the DH instead of trying to tie it to expanded playoffs. The player pool of unemployed players in ST is going to be much larger if they don't add the DH. IMO they should make a 27-man roster and a universal DH going into the season just to try to get more players jobs heading into 2021 knowing that the CBA expires after the season. Edited December 7, 2020 by YourWhatHurts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Yeah, I heard the DH was a near no for next year but will be renegotiated on the CBA and likely will be put in then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, I heard the DH was a near no for next year but will be renegotiated on the CBA and likely will be put in then. That's good to hear that there is some resolution. I would expect a bunch of one year deals out of the DH types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Rosenthal said today DH is very unlikely That's not what he said, he said the league told teams to proceed as if it won't happen. Just a matter of league and players union continuing their horrible negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: That is a real bad move. The league should just push the PA to accept the DH. The player pool of unemployed players in ST is going to be much larger if they don't add the DH. IMO they should make a 27-man roster and a universal DH going into the season just to try to get more players jobs heading into 2021 knowing that the CBA expires after the season. The PA isn't the problem. The owners are who needs the push. Owners are trying to get concessions from the players in order to agree to a universal DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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