SonofaRoache Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The Marlins won the WS when their owner bought a shitload of players. After the win , they got rid of everyone. In Detroit, he won but he had Illich's open checkbook, and had an open checkbook with the Red Sox. If JR was a spender, I think he would be fine, and that is not a knock at DD because some guys can't win no matter how much you let them spend. I think the guy would struggle with a tight budget, depending on prospect development. I agree, but tight budgeted teams shouldn't sign him. Teams that can sign big contracts and reload on the fly will be okay. We spend lesser amounts of money and our signings over the past decade have mostly been a waste of money. You still have to get the job done based on what you are given to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, SonofaRoache said: I agree, but tight budgeted teams shouldn't sign him. Teams that can sign big contracts and reload on the fly will be okay. We spend lesser amounts of money and our signings over the past decade have mostly been a waste of money. You still have to get the job done based on what you are given to work with. Of course the Sox have spent poorly. $13 million for Alonso and Jay in a season you had no intention of winning. Could have saved that money and spent it, I don't know, this year? And that is just one example of the stupid signings they make year after year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: It will always end ugly with DD. His philosophy seems to be prospects are for trading. So you wind up with a roster full of bloated contracts and not much on the farm. But I do think the Phillies will get some good years from him. Not the good ones. I'd take Dombrowski's free agency record over, for example, Theo Epsteins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, Dick Allen said: It will always end ugly with DD. His philosophy seems to be prospects are for trading. But I do think the Phillies will get some good years from him. DD always wins wherever he goes. He is never afraid to jump into the deep end of the pool. Just one of those guys who you know will be fired when the money runs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, poppysox said: But when he leaves...the organization has aging veterans with salaries that hamstring the club for years to come. Miquel Cabrera's contract is an example. Whenever we talk about giving guys 10-year contracts I get really nervous. Yeah - but he also leaves with a streak of playoff appearances, maybe some rings and some world series appearances. The guy flat out wins and it isn't like he hasn't been capable of building up good farm systems. He had a nice farm system back in his Expos days, Marlins the same, and Detroit had did a bit of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Yeah - but he also leaves with a streak of playoff appearances, maybe some rings and some world series appearances. The guy flat out wins and it isn't like he hasn't been capable of building up good farm systems. He had a nice farm system back in his Expos days, Marlins the same, and Detroit had did a bit of both. His greatest success has come from ownerships with open wallets. Philly will be interesting since the money has already been spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, poppysox said: His greatest success has come from ownerships with open wallets. Philly will be interesting since the money has already been spent. Unless they are over the luxury tax the money has not been spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, bmags said: Unless they are over the luxury tax the money has not been spent. Yeah...you are right. Their 2021 payroll stands currently at 132.6 million. I thought the Harper and Wheeler contracts did more damage than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I cannot believe another professional baseball organization is hiring Dave dombrowski to destroy their entire system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I cannot believe another professional baseball organization is hiring Dave dombrowski to destroy their entire system Would you destroy your entire farm system for 1 world series? I certainly would.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Orlando said: He’s perfect for the Phillies. You know that they need to win already. Probably at the point that they are willing to go all in and trade every prospect for a playoff berth. It's really a great fit. It's easy making a bad team good but it's very difficult making a good team great. Dombrowski has a long history of making good teams great. I think that trend continues in Philly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I cannot believe another professional baseball organization is hiring Dave dombrowski to destroy their entire system Yeah. Getting to the playoffs and World Series sucks. I mean, your farm system ranking is way more important. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Yeah. Getting to the playoffs and World Series sucks. I mean, your farm system ranking is way more important. Such a weird take. Dave didn't build a single thing in Boston. Instead he left them where they are today. Anyone can potentially win if they're handed a loaded roster and pretend like the only year that matters is next year. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to think chris sale was good when he traded for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I cannot believe another professional baseball organization is hiring Dave dombrowski to destroy their entire system MLB ranks the Phills farm system at #23, and their payroll is already maxed out. Not sure what is left for him to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: It will always end ugly with DD. His philosophy seems to be prospects are for trading. So you wind up with a roster full of bloated contracts and not much on the farm. But I do think the Phillies will get some good years from him. Similar to Theo's exit from the Cubs? Whenever a team has success they have to pay their players, they get old and it comes to an end. The key is can you at least win in the good years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Such a weird take. Dave didn't build a single thing in Boston. Instead he left them where they are today. Anyone can potentially win if they're handed a loaded roster and pretend like the only year that matters is next year. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to think chris sale was good when he traded for him. They had division championships and a WS win while he was GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, ptatc said: They had division championships and a WS win while he was GM. Lol the red Sox just had to trade mookie betts because of the choices Dave made. Again, he didn't build a thing in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: Similar to Theo's exit from the Cubs? Whenever a team has success they have to pay their players, they get old and it comes to an end. The key is can you at least win in the good years. This is not at all what Dave does. Theo literally builds rosters. Dave assumed a loaded team and assured they had only one chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Its like hiring someone to build your home, and after its done you install a new door and then everyone starts telling the world that you built the home. Thats dave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 It's officail. Awesome. The NL east is going to be a dog fight. The only division without a team actively trying to lose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 John Middleton doesn't seem like the type to turn over full control to a Dave D. Doesn't seam like a marriage made in heaven to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Lol the red Sox just had to trade mookie betts because of the choices Dave made. Again, he didn't build a thing in Boston. Again, he won multiple division titles and a world series as well acquired players like Betts. If a GM does his job right, players and payrolls do become expensive because that means they are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Its like hiring someone to build your home, and after its done you install a new door and then everyone starts telling the world that you built the home. Thats dave. Except this builder in question did build the home and won many awards for it. edit: I take that back. If I remember right its the exact opposite of what you are saying. He built the team won division championships then fired him near the end of the season when they won the world series. So they won with the team he built but they fired him a couple of months prior to winning it. Edited December 10, 2020 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, ptatc said: Again, he won multiple division titles and a world series as well acquired players like Betts. If a GM does his job right, players and payrolls do become expensive because that means they are good. Dave dombrowski acquired mookie betts? Wuhhhht? No, he didn't. You are badly misremebering db's time in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, ptatc said: Except this builder in question did build the home and won many awards for it. edit: I take that back. If I remember right its the exact opposite of what you are saying. He built the team won division championships then fired him near the end of the season when they won the world series. So they won with the team he built but they fired him a couple of months prior to winning it. Your memory needs some work as everything you're typing is wrong, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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