MLB Winter Meetings Thread

[ptatc]

11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Your memory needs some work as everything you're typing is wrong,

It's possible I'm old. Regardless. He won multiple division titles and a World Series. You keep Mookie Betts and i'll take the titles and World Series win.

 

Edit: I looked it up. They fired him less than a year after the World series. That's what I was thinking about. They didn't even give him a year after the win.

Edited December 10, 2020 by ptatc

[turnin' two]

46 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Such a weird take. Dave didn't build a single thing in Boston. Instead he left them where they are today. 

Anyone can potentially win if they're handed a loaded roster and pretend like the only year that matters is next year. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to think chris sale was good when he traded for him. 

I'd say the weird take is prioritizing the farm system.  It is like Stockholm Syndrome central around here.  

As a GM, with the Marlins, he won a pennant and a World Series.  

As a GM with the TIgers, his teams got to the playoffs 5 times, won 2 pennants. Oh, and the Tigers were an absolute joke before he got there.   Like a decade straight of losing seasons bad.  

With the Red Sox, his teams made the playoffs three times, won 1 pennant and 1 World Series.

9 playoff appearances, 4 pennants and 2 World Series titles.  

His career is beyond your opinion that he didn't do a thing in Boston.  And despite him not building a thing in Boston, he did acquire Sale, Kimbrel, Price and JD for that team.  I don't really remember but I would guess those guys were important to their winning.  

Yeah, it didn't end well, and there were some albatross contracts.  But that happens when you play in free agency.  His team had 3 shots in 4 years, and won one.  I think most teams would take that.

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Dombrowski in Boston

Inherits:
Mookie Betts
Xander Bogaerts
Jackie Bradley Jr.
Andrew Benintendi
Porcello
Erod
Wright

Adds via Trade
Craig Kimbrel (5.7 fWAR over 3 years)
Carson Smith 0.3 WAR with Red Sox
Roenis Elias (-0.2 WAR with red sox
Aaron Hill
Brad Ziegler 1.4 fWAR
Drew Pomeranz 6.3 fWAR over 3.5 years
Fernando Abad 0.6 fWAR
Tyler Thornburg -0.1 fWAR
Chris Sale 16.4 fWAR
Eduardo Nunez -1.2 fWAR (he was really good the year they acquired him though and helped in playoffs)
Addison Reed 0.9 fWAR
Nathan Eovaldi 2.2 fWAR
Josh Taylor 0.7
Colten Brewer -0.2
Steve Pearce 1 WAR

Signed:
JD Martinez 8.1 fWAR
David Price 10.6 fWAR
Mitch Moreland 2.3 fWAR 
 

Traded:
Manuel Margot (<1 WAR on avg over 5 years)
Javy Guerra (became pitcher -.1 WAR)
Logan Allen 0 WAR to date
Carlos Asuaje -.2 fWAR
Wade Miley 1.8 fWAR before free agency
Jonathan Aro 0 WAR
Aaron Wilkerson -0.1 fWAR
Wendell Rijo 0 war
Anderson Espinoza (injured for four years)
Jose Almonte 0 war
Luis Alejandro Basabe 0 war
Travis Shaw 7.1 fWAR
Mauricio Dubon 0.7 fWAR
Josh Pennington 0 war
Yoan Moncada 10.5 fWAR 
Michael Kopech -0.1 fWAR
Luis Alexander Basabe -.1
Victor Diaz 0 fWAR
Clay bucholz (salary dump)
Shaun Anderson 0war
Gregory Santos 0war
Gerson Bautista -0.5 fWAR
Jamie Callahan 0 war
Stephen Nogosek -0.1 fWAR
JAlen Beeks 1 fWAR
Deven Merrerro -0.8
Esteban Quiroz
Elio Prado
Noelberth Romero
Santiago Espinal 0.2 fWAR (looks decent)

2016 red sox top prospects:
1. Moncada (traded for Chris Sale, awesome)
2. Rafael Devers (kept, awesome)
3. Andrew Benintendi (kept, used to be awesome)
4. Anderson Espinoza (traded, 0 WAR)
5. Michael Kopech (traded for Chris Sale)
6. Brian Johnson (kept)
7. Deven Merrerro (traded, Negative WAR)
8. Sam Travis (kept, awful)
9. Basabe (traded for Sale, negative WAR)
10. Michael Chavis (kept, maybe decent? awful last year)


The most indefensible trade was the Tyler Thornburg trade. But Dombrowski was told what he was there to do, Cherington was being too cautious, they wanted to win. His biggest mistakes were in post-world series extensions when they should have started preparing for Betts. That was a mistake, but that's a tough transition. The dodgers at this point have laid the blueprint for constant competition, but the red sox aren't the only big market team that struggled to add talent when the INTL rules changed.

My takeaway: the failure isn't trading prospects. They failed because Dombrowski couldn't add to them. He used to be good at that, so who knows. A lot of that crew left for AZ and seem decent, but it was a bad few years of figuring out a new way.

The worst value out was for Sale, and I think you still do that trade 10x over to get the best team around BEtts/Bogaerts/Benintendi while in their first contracts. Moncada wasn't awesome until 2019, Devers was better earlier.

Git some DD.