bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 With the food accounts circling a possible Q addition, that's something that has been received warmly by sox fans who remember his time here. I loved me some quintana, and was someone who would get angry when teams would not want to hand over their entire farm system for him. That said, I am not that keen on him returning. Let's get the easy stuff out first: - Yes, it is likely he outperforms the extremely bad signing of gio gonzalez. Had we had a full year, gio would have been a big nothingburger. And here is the good: Jose Quintana has pitched 175 innings for most of his career until he tried to cut fruit or whatever last year. For those that need it, I think the Ivan Nova comp for what he gives is legit. BUT: - One thing that was interesting with Q and the sox was how his velocity continued to increase each year, but on the cubs it retreated, now settling in around 91.5 mph on average. - The thing that made Q amazing was his home run suppression. During his sox years through 2016, his HR/FB rate was under 10%, it increased starting 2017 and stayed there during his time with the cubs. - The cubs have generated more whiffs but I don't know if it made him a better pitcher. Quintana's stuff is not great, his command is. But cubs moved him to the recent trend of high fastballs to take advantage of his curve. It has made his curve much more effective, but as we pointed out earlier, that velo drop may matter here as his fastball is getting crushed. And I worry that when he's missing high, he's leaving the ball in the heart of the plate. His hard hit rate has increased recently, up to near 40%. His command keeps people from barreling him up too much, but he still gets crushed when he does leave it out. His hard hit % used to be above average, now it's below. So he'll give you innings, he won't walk batters. That is still true. But I don't know that this doesn't keep getting worse. Nice guy though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 If he is cool keeping a spot warm for Kopech for 2 months before shifting to a long relief role, I'm good with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Stuff Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I’d rather remember what he was and what he got us in return than bring him back this stage in his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: If he is cool keeping a spot warm for Kopech for 2 months before shifting to a long relief role, I'm good with that. But we still have the uncertainty of Cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bmags said: But we still have the uncertainty of Cease. True. I guess they can role with Cease and if he isn't good, they can let him work in the minors and replace him with Kopech. Going withca better starter than Q is probably the way to go. Edit: unless of course he loves Chicago and just wants to pitch for a contender in some capacity and is willing to sign as a long-reliever giving us more depth when we add someone else too. Edited December 8, 2020 by manbearpuig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, DH in the NL said: I’d rather remember what he was and what he got us in return than bring him back this stage in his career. I’d rather remember him for pitching well for the Sox, getting a great trade return and then bombing against the Dodgers in 2017. With that said, he has far more left in the tank than Gio did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, fathom said: I’d rather remember him for pitching well for the Sox, getting a great trade return and then bombing against the Dodgers in 2017. With that said, he has far more left in the tank than Gio did last year. He absolutely does. My only point there was that was not my standard here. I would like us to get the best talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, bmags said: He absolutely does. My only point there was that was not my standard here. I would like us to get the best talent. I agree with you, rather try to get something more exciting. That goes with Joc in RF as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Q is the kind of pitching depth every team needs. People go five men out and think we are set? Not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bmags said: He absolutely does. My only point there was that was not my standard here. I would like us to get the best talent. Most white sox fans consume way too many of these. This is why we lust after former sox players who we forget have aged or even regressed a bit. Its the same reason whenever a coaching spot opens up we get few threads on how this ex white sox player is a perfect fit even though they have never coached or shown a propensity for coaching. I want the best possible pitcher to be aquired. Not just a guy because I can member him in a white sox uniform. Your post is spot on. I like Quintana, I liked him as a whitesox pitcher when he was here. I just have a higher threshold for a team trying to win a world series than old trusty. Edited December 8, 2020 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Yeah, I really don't want a reunion with Q. I would much rather acquire Richards or Kluber. There is comfort between the FO and Q. And vice versa. Maybe the sox aren't to worried if Q's era rises and plateaus near 5. They probably figure that the offense is good enough to overcome at least half of his starts. And he is good for 175 innings. Again, much rather go with the other guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I liked him 3-4 years ago, but I imagine he was traded at the highest point in his career. If he’s signed as a 5th starter/long relief piece in the BP, fine... but would prefer better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I personally don't want to trade more good prospects for Musgrove and would prefer a signing, like Quintana. I do not want to empty our farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 He was starting to slip a little bit when the Sox traded him. The thought was his mind was messed up because he knew he was going somewhere, the team was bad... He is better than Gio Gonzalez. A lot better, but if the Sox signed him, I wouldn't give him too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I’m good with Quintana. I like the guy and I think he’ll be a rock solid 4/5. But in totality, the Lynn trade + Q + Joc makes me sick. Just more of the same BS from the Sox right when they’re on the precipice of greatness they get in their own way. Just spend some fucking money on more than role players you cowards. And don’t trade long term assets for 1 year fixes. Hahn preached this for years, and now I’m supposed to like a deal when he does the opposite? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I’m good with Quintana. I like the guy and I think he’ll be a rock solid 4/5. But in totality, the Lynn trade + Q + Joc makes me sick. Just more of the same BS from the Sox right when they’re on the precipice of greatness they get in their own way. Just spend some fucking money on more than role players you cowards. And don’t trade long term assets for 1 year fixes. Hahn preached this for years, and now I’m supposed to like a deal when he does the opposite? This is the part where an 84-year old, who won't spend money, owning the team worries me. Edited December 8, 2020 by manbearpuig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 If we are going to sign a guy to fill a starter role on a partial season basis, I prefer Rich Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Why are we so enamored by Q? He pitched ok for us at one point and may have been a huge part of Sox rebuild when he was traded. He has served his purpose.... Why do we want to take a spot away from either one of MIke K, Lopez, Cease to give to Q?? You have a stud top 3 of rotation. We need MK, Lopez, and Cease to develop in 4/5 spot for us to be crazy good. Q should not be taking a spot away from any of the above mentioned 3 We need to get over the Q love.....someone of you are what you accuse Kenny Williams to be.....you fall in love with guys who are beyond their best years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 For the same type of contract, I am calling up Corey Kluber. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Posted this in another thread, but what if we signed one of Paxton/Kluber/Richards and then signed Q to be a long-reliever/spot starter (maybe he wants to pitch for a contender and doesn't want to leave Chicago?). Then your depth would be: 1. Giolito 2. Keuchel 3. Lynn 4. Paxton/Kluber/Richards 5. Cease Kopech to come up when he is ready for Cease if he is struggling or to replace someone who is injured Quintana long-relief/spot starter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: Posted this in another thread, but what if we signed one of Paxton/Kluber/Richards and then signed Q to be a long-reliever/spot starter (maybe he wants to pitch for a contender and doesn't want to leave Chicago?). Then your depth would be: 1. Giolito 2. Keuchel 3. Lynn 4. Paxton/Kluber/Richards 5. Cease Kopech to come up when he is ready for Cease if he is struggling or to replace someone who is injured Quintana long-relief/spot starter I think getting Lynn sets you up better take a big swing at a Paxton/Kluber/Richards because those guys have a more boom or bust risk to them. Also Lynn is not expensive to where you can pay those guys the 1 year flier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, BFirebird said: I think getting Lynn sets you up better take a big swing at a Paxton/Kluber/Richards because those guys have a more boom or bust risk to them. Also Lynn is not expensive to where you can pay those guys the 1 year flier. I agree, I am circling paxton, though his fb was awful last year. But still feel slightly more confident than Kluber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Give me Paxton over Q. That would be the makings of a scary rotation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, bmags said: I agree, I am circling paxton, though his fb was awful last year. But still feel slightly more confident than Kluber. This trade sets them up to go in a bunch of different directions. I like Paxton but I'm hoping for Richards. Either would make it an excellent rotation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I'm fine with Quintana as a 4/5 that will eventually give way to Kopech or Crochet. I could see the following happening with the pitching Giolito Keuchel* Lynn Quintana* Cease FA - Bradley/Hendriks/Colome/Hand Bummer* Heuer Marshall Foster Fry* Cordero Lopez with Crochet getting stretched out at AAA with Kopech. I see Stiever and Burdi as the first up in case of emergency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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