soxfan49 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Maybe Anderson is just this good? We heard about his regression after 2019. How did that work out? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Maybe we should just trade the farm (Stevier + anyone lower) for Darvish, huh Does that even get it done at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, almagest said: I'm onboard with Steiver +, depending on the +. Don't want to mortgage the farm, and if the Sox absorb most/all of that deal it shouldn't cost too much. I am 100% ok with a low return for absorbing the contract. What I don't want is a huge return so the Cubs carry a portion of the deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 So we don’t want to give Hendrix 4 years because he might not be good 4 years from now when he is 35. But trading minor league and perhaps major league talent for Yu Darvish who is owed $59 million for his age 35,36, and 37 seasons seems like a good option. OK. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, bmags said: I don't know what to think about this, since a lot of bad teams purposely don't invest much in bullpen, but: 2020 10 of top 11 bullpens made playoffs. The mariners were last one out, easy to say a better bullpen puts them in perhaps. The Astros/Yanks/Cubs were at a huge disadvantage for much of year, and Astros would have never made it in in any other division. 2019 2019 - 8 top 10 made playoffs. The Braves and Nationals didn't really struggle to get in, and the Mets improbably tried to build a great bullpen and sucked at it. There is much more divergence in SP. But hitting? Top offenses made it in. I gotta tell ya. If I'm sox - I got a great offense. I have the makings of a great bullpen. Do I try to load up SP? I kinda think bullpen is attractive. The issue is that RP are not valued in advanced metrics. Very few are better than replacement value by WAR because it is a counting stat so this tends to be undervalued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: So we don’t want to give Hendrix 4 years because he might not be good 4 years from now when he is 35. But trading minor league and perhaps major league talent for Yu Darvish who is owed $59 million for his age 35,36, and 37 seasons seems like a good option. OK. RP vs. SP RPs tend to be extremely volatile and quite frankly, aren't all that important. SPs of the caliber of Darvish are extremely hard to find and are extremely important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Quin said: Does that even get it done at this point? God no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: RP vs. SP RPs tend to be extremely volatile and quite frankly, aren't all that important. SPs of the caliber of Darvish are extremely hard to find and are extremely important. So Darvish hasn’t been volatile? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: So we don’t want to give Hendrix 4 years because he might not be good 4 years from now when he is 35. But trading minor league and perhaps major league talent for Yu Darvish who is owed $59 million for his age 35,36, and 37 seasons seems like a good option. OK. I'd be ok with both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: So Darvish hasn’t been volatile? Yup, never a health concern with Yu. Mr reliability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, ptatc said: The issue is that RP are not valued in advanced metrics. Very few are better than replacement value by WAR because it is a counting stat so this tends to be undervalued. When evaluating bullpens, I typically remove the 2-3 worst arms. The real problem is blow up outings can cause guys to go negative and they never recover. By removing the front end guys who aren't that good, I think you get a better look at the impact of the bullpen. Mainly because you want to know how good bullpens are at keeping games close or closing games out. You don't really care how good your bullpen is in games that are pretty much out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: When evaluating bullpens, I typically remove the 2-3 worst arms. The real problem is blow up outings can cause guys to go negative and they never recover. By removing the front end guys who aren't that good, I think you get a better look at the impact of the bullpen. Mainly because you want to know how good bullpens are at keeping games close or closing games out. You don't really care how good your bullpen is in games that are pretty much out of hand. I agree. I just think the bullpens are undervalued especially when looking only at such stats as WAR or ERA. It hard to evaluate statistically when the sample sizes are so small with the number of batters they face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: RP vs. SP RPs tend to be extremely volatile and quite frankly, aren't all that important. SPs of the caliber of Darvish are extremely hard to find and are extremely important. Did you just come out of a time machine from the 1970s? Bullpen is obviously of prime importance these days as the outcomes of playoff series clearly demonstrate. Edited December 16, 2020 by Vulture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 I like LaStella, but would argue that Marwin Gonzalez might be a better fit for the roster if we plan on calling up Vaughn after a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briro2021 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Vulture said: Did you just come out of a time machine from the 1970s? Bullpen is obviously of prime importance these days as the outcomes of playoff series clearly demonstrate. Exactly and that is the future. Baseball probably will end up with "starters" going 2 to 3 innings max. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, fathom said: Yes, and if Yoan isn’t back to form. Too easy to foreshadow a lineup with Eaton, Leury, Madrigal and Engel in it. That’s not exactly the ‘27 Yankees. Pretty sure Madrigal is vastly superior to Joe Dugan at the plate. Don’t forget Koenig and Grabowski. Not exactly world beaters when it came to hitting. although I agree. It would be best to pick up another bat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This I agree with. I hate the way the club approached the 2018 and 2019 seasons. It didn't make any sense. Yea, it wasn't exactly a big tank. Cost us better draft position and money. If you are going to buy guys when you tank they better be damn good so you can flip them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Cease + Stiever for Darvish. Push the chippies in. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Cease + Stiever for Darvish. Push the chippies in. LOL I’m down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Cease + Stiever for Darvish. Push the chippies in. LOL I wouldn't add Cease. He's part of the extended window to me, hopefully. Let's see what Katz can do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Cease + Stiever for Darvish. Push the chippies in. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briro2021 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Cease + Stiever for Darvish. Push the chippies in. LOL GOD no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 cease+stiever+Vaughn for snell then go out and sign Ozuna for DH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: cease+stiever+Vaughn for snell then go out and sign Ozuna for DH If the Sox can’t afford 4 years of Hendriks, how are they going to be able to afford that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: If the Sox can’t afford 4 years of Hendriks, how are they going to be able to afford that? paying up for a bat is easier than paying up for a rp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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