southsider2k5 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: If this is true it debunks how put off Hahn is to his lot in life with the Chicago White Sox. The big question is did the Phillies want to interview Hahn or did Hahn ask to be interviewed. That is the key distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, bmags said: He'd give it to TLR. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How do you figure? Hahn is under contract; he would need permission to interview. I believe that's only for a lateral move. The Phillies could call him VP of baseball operations and not need permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 50 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The Phillies spent 455 million on two players in the last two years. The Sox biggest contract in their history was for 74 million. The two are nothing alike. Yes. One made the playoffs and the other didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, ptatc said: Yes. One made the playoffs and the other didn't. So that settles it; don't spend money, because it's not like money spent directly correlates to success over the past 20 years of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Basically Rick was 1 of about 8 billion names on a list that they would have planned on interviewing. Doesn't tell us anything where Rick is at with what has happened this offseason, just tells us that Philly might have, kind have been interested at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, ptatc said: I believe that's only for a lateral move. The Phillies could call him VP of baseball operations and not need permission. The Sox blocked KW from interviewing for a job as President of the Blue Jays, so I don't that is true, or it changed at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Superstar Lamar said: the only way you get to leave JR is by firing or death Death by firing squad* Edited December 17, 2020 by Yearnin' for Yermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The Phillies spent 455 million on two players in the last two years. Yet another example of “just because you can doesn’t mean you should.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, chetkincaid said: Will JR even let him interview? Wasn't KW a candidate for the top job in Toronto years ago but was forbidden by JR from interviewing? KW said the only job he would quit the Sox for was the Raiders GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdGen Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) IIRC, Toronto asked JR for permission to interview KW for Paul Beeston's job. Beeston and JR were buddies, and no one knew Beeston was on the way out. So JR was pissed and sat on the request. Later he found out Toronto reached out to KW without his permission, tampering. Also they were trying to recruit him during the winter meetings so the timing was impossible. Normally I believe permission is almost always granted if a promotion is part of the deal. Toronto just handled this one poorly and pissed off JR, and KW had no intention of doing it anyway. I also thought RH interviewed for a couple of GM jobs that he didn't get before he was promoted to GM with the Sox. Edited December 17, 2020 by ThirdGen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: The Sox blocked KW from interviewing for a job as President of the Blue Jays, so I don't that is true, or it changed at some point. Wasn't he the President at the time though? Maybe baseball is different from football where I am pretty sure you cannot interview for a lateral move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briro2021 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, Vulture said: Yet another example of “just because you can doesn’t mean you should.” The people who constantly complain about how cheap JR is, are probably the same way in their own personal life. They prefer to spend someone else money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, ptatc said: Why would someone leave? Job security is not an issue. He turned down many interviews when he wasn't the GM. When Jerry is gone, Kenny and Hahn are gone. Jerry theoretically can't live forever, and he is approaching 90 soon. And Jerry just big timed Hahn and denied him a managerial hire yet again. 3 hours ago, bmags said: He'd give it to TLR. Jerry already did give it to LaRussa. Kenny and Hahn are Executives in name only, 4th and 5th on the totem pole. White Sox Hierarchy: Chairman of the Board: Reinsdorf > Direct Reports: SEVP Howard Pizer & DAC Tony LaRussa > Next layer: EVP Kenny Williams > Rick Hahn/Don Cooper Edited December 17, 2020 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Briro2021 said: The people who constantly complain about how cheap JR is, are probably the same way in their own personal life. They prefer to spend someone else money. Yes, I frequently compare my spending habits to that of someone who has more money than the average net worth of over 2100 households. It's actually been argued by some studies that rich people are significantly cheaper than poorer people. https://www.sciencealert.com/lower-status-people-more-likely-to-share-wealth-than-higher-status-people It's an inexact science though and there are conflicting reports. Edited December 17, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Wasn't he the President at the time though? Maybe baseball is different from football where I am pretty sure you cannot interview for a lateral move. That's Jerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: When Jerry is gone, Kenny and Hahn are gone. Jerry theoretically can't live forever, and he is approaching 90 soon. He already did give it to LaRussa. White Sox Hierarchy: Chairman of the Board: Reinsdorf > Direct Reports: SEVP Howard Pizer & DAC Tony LaRussa > Next layer: EVP Kenny Williams > Rick Hahn/Don Cooper What is DAC, and where is this documented? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briro2021 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, I frequently compare my spending habits to that of someone who has more money than the average net worth of over 2100 households. It's actually been argued by some studies that rich people are significantly cheaper than poorer people. https://www.sciencealert.com/lower-status-people-more-likely-to-share-wealth-than-higher-status-people It's an inexact science though and there are conflicting reports. Rich people ARE cheaper than poor people. Because they are smarter. You can hate JR all you want but he is rich for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: What is DAC, and where is this documented? https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/team/front-office Drunken Ass Clown. Whether Tony is formally above Kenny and or Hahn in the org chart is semantics. Neither Kenny or Hahn had a say in Tony's hire, if you cannot hire your direct reports, you really don't have any power, just a title. Hahn has already been in the position multiple times, inheriting Ventura and then having to slot in Renteria with no formal interview process. Then after Hahn grants Renteria an extension, Jerry sometime after Tony's arrest decided Tony would be the next manager. Hell Don Cooper was Kenny's direct report since Ozzie's managing days. Not sure whether Kenny fired Cooper or whether it was LaRussa's call. it's a completely dysfunctional organization. the Bulls were run exactly the same way until jerry stepped down and let Michael run things, including hiring professional executives and coaches. Edited December 17, 2020 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I have been critical of Reinsdorf plenty, but the loyalty he showed to much of his team during the pandemic is commendable. If only he showed the fanbase the same kind of loyalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Briro2021 said: Rich people ARE cheaper than poor people. Because they are smarter. You can hate JR all you want but he is rich for a reason. Being wealthy does not directly correlate with being intelligent. https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/so-youre-smart-but-youre-not-rich-this-eye-opening-new-scientific-study-tells-you-why.html And Jerry spend less than his wealthy peers so... Edited December 17, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, SleepyWhiteSox said: If only he showed the fanbase the same kind of loyalty. I agree here but as an employee, I still find his way of operating to be honorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briro2021 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Being wealthy does not directly correlate with being intelligent. https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/so-youre-smart-but-youre-not-rich-this-eye-opening-new-scientific-study-tells-you-why.html And Jerry spend less than his wealthy peers so... Yes it does and you can link a chart or whatever that is claiming anything that fits your agenda. I have no need for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Briro2021 said: Yes it does and you can link a chart or whatever that is claiming anything that fits your agenda. I have no need for it. Yikes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 But I was told here that he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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