harkness99 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 i noticed crochet velo is down some... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, harkness99 said: i noticed crochet velo is down some... They said that is by design, like Sale used to dial it down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 17 hours ago, ptatc said: I think just physically Crochet will not be in the rotation in 2022. He needs to build up innings slowly due to his lack of innings. I would not count on him in the rotation until 2023. The other difference is there are way more questions about Crochet. We KNOW that Kopech can be a starter, and a good one, we just need to build his arm up. For Crochet, we really have no idea. When he has to go 5 innings, is he sitting 98 mph, or 94? Does his stuff still play at those speeds? Can he get his delivery consistent enough to pitch 5-6 innings, and does he have enough pitches to not get hammered the second or third time through? His lack of college innings as a starter make his case pretty unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: He'll throw more than that. They're gonna try to get him between 80-100 IMO That's seems a little high with his history. Maybe they've had him on an off season program but it seems really physically dangerous to me. Kopech's limit is around 100 and you can see how they are using each differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 hours ago, gusguyman said: The other difference is there are way more questions about Crochet. We KNOW that Kopech can be a starter, and a good one, we just need to build his arm up. For Crochet, we really have no idea. When he has to go 5 innings, is he sitting 98 mph, or 94? Does his stuff still play at those speeds? Can he get his delivery consistent enough to pitch 5-6 innings, and does he have enough pitches to not get hammered the second or third time through? His lack of college innings as a starter make his case pretty unique. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 hours ago, gusguyman said: The other difference is there are way more questions about Crochet. We KNOW that Kopech can be a starter, and a good one, we just need to build his arm up. For Crochet, we really have no idea. When he has to go 5 innings, is he sitting 98 mph, or 94? Does his stuff still play at those speeds? Can he get his delivery consistent enough to pitch 5-6 innings, and does he have enough pitches to not get hammered the second or third time through? His lack of college innings as a starter make his case pretty unique. Those questions are answered in the minor leagues. You can't answer them pitching twice a week in the big league bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Those questions are answered in the minor leagues. You can't answer them pitching twice a week in the big league bullpen. Yes you can and more effectively. You can answer it while learning to get out MLB hitters. It doesn't matter if the physical innings are in the minors or MLB. 60 inning is a reliever at either level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 i have no idea what they are trying to do with crochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 looks like they're handling Crochet with kid gloves this year. makes you wonder if the plan would've been to have him start the year in the minors if they had started their season on time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, thedoctor said: i have no idea what they are trying to do with crochet. It's pretty evident now the number one factor in Crochet's development as a starting pitcher was to save a couple million dollars on a left handed reliever. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Should have traded him last offseason if this was their plan and/or they were so spooked about his injury issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Rick out here cleaning up after the earlier comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, joesaiditstrue said: looks like they're handling Crochet with kid gloves this year. makes you wonder if the plan would've been to have him start the year in the minors if they had started their season on time i don't know what people were expecting. He only threw about 15 competitive innings last year and was shut down twice, once in college and once in the MLB. I'm sure the plan was always to slowly ramp him up to 60 or so innings this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, fathom said: Should have traded him last offseason if this was their plan and/or they were so spooked about his injury issues Everyone else would have the same plan with the possible exception of getting his 60 innings in the minors. Edited June 1, 2021 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Trade Koepch while his value is high. I don't think he'll ever put together a full season between injuries and mental health issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Green Line said: Trade Koepch while his value is high. I don't think he'll ever put together a full season between injuries and mental health issues. Let me guess you dont like his manbun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: Let me guess you dont like his manbun I don't like his inability to stay on the active roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, Green Line said: I don't like his inability to stay on the active roster. You're going to hate the 2020s then, because Kopech is real, and he is spectacular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: You're going to hate the 2020s then, because Kopech is real, and he is spectacular. He is real and he is spectacular - when he's on the active roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Green Line said: Trade Koepch while his value is high. I don't think he'll ever put together a full season between injuries and mental health issues. This is absolute insanity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: This is absolute insanity Its really not at all, and the Sox could absolutely use another stud in their lineup. Kopech has become more and more attractive as a trade chip as the season has gone on. I'll be happy to be wrong about this, I just have a bad feeling that this is going to be a recurring thing. The warning signs are there. He has high value now. Pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Green Line said: Its really not at all, and the Sox could absolutely use another stud in their lineup. Kopech has become more and more attractive as a trade chip as the season has gone on. I'll be happy to be wrong about this, I just have a bad feeling that this is going to be a recurring thing. The warning signs are there. He has high value now. Pull the trigger. You want to trade Kopech for a bat? What position exactly? And who is in our rotation after this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_Schwam Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This is absolute insanity The fact that he brought up mental health issues 🙄 wow. You mean the workout warrior who deleted ALL social media to dedicate his life to his profession? Ppl are insane man. Wow. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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