SCCWS Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Kopech isn’t a top prospect, he’s a major league pitcher who has been one of the most effective arms in baseball this year. He has legit best pitcher in baseball upside and we have an owner who won’t pay for high end starting pitching. This idea to trade him for a one year fix for the offensive is just hands down dumb. I can’t even believe this is a real suggestion. I think Kopech is somewhat a prospect in his present role since most of us see him in the rotation for the future. I would not trade him because he very well could be our #1 starter very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 The idea of trading Kopech isnt "insanity," its a flat-out stoopud idea that should be killed with impunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 The idea of trading Kopech isn't awful on the surface, but it has to look something like the time Kopech was traded where a superstar with control was the other side of the deal. Otherwise, you hold on to him and try to turn him into an ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The idea of trading Kopech isn't awful on the surface, but it has to look something like the time Kopech was traded where a superstar with control was the other side of the deal. Otherwise, you hold on to him and try to turn him into an ace. I disagree, from this perspective: Set aside the absolute moronic idea of giving away 4+ years of whatever Kopech will become. And set aside that 3 of the ~top 8 or 9 SPs (Lynn, Rodon, Lopez) will become FA after this season. THIS years bullpen hasn't been all that it was advertised to be before the season. And Kopech has been among the top performers for that bullpen, for better or worse; his role as a multi-inning reliever and spot starter has been key for this team. And then, if you subtract Kopech from THIS year's bullpen, who takes on his role? Lopez? Stiever? Who? It would have to be a HELL of a player coming back to paper over a weakened bullpen for this years team. And that's why, IMO, for this season, its a stoopud, idiotic, and moronic idea. Tack on the weakening of future teams by making a panic buy/giving away Kopech, and it would be a fooking fireable offense for this FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 On 6/1/2021 at 9:27 PM, Green Line said: I'm thinking about World Series this season, not worried about next season. Sox are a WS contender and another bat will provide a bigger impact than Kopech this season. Idk who - will need to research. On 6/1/2021 at 9:39 PM, Green Line said: I'd have to study the situation more. Any updates on all of your scientific research? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 19 hours ago, Two-Gun Pete said: I disagree, from this perspective: Set aside the absolute moronic idea of giving away 4+ years of whatever Kopech will become. And set aside that 3 of the ~top 8 or 9 SPs (Lynn, Rodon, Lopez) will become FA after this season. THIS years bullpen hasn't been all that it was advertised to be before the season. And Kopech has been among the top performers for that bullpen, for better or worse; his role as a multi-inning reliever and spot starter has been key for this team. And then, if you subtract Kopech from THIS year's bullpen, who takes on his role? Lopez? Stiever? Who? It would have to be a HELL of a player coming back to paper over a weakened bullpen for this years team. And that's why, IMO, for this season, its a stoopud, idiotic, and moronic idea. Tack on the weakening of future teams by making a panic buy/giving away Kopech, and it would be a fooking fireable offense for this FO. So...a superstar with control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, bmags said: So...a superstar with control Basically, Christian Yelich to Milwaukee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Here's a fun one: Would you trade Vaughn and Kopech for Shohei Ohtani (FA 2024). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, bmags said: So...a superstar with control I concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 45 minutes ago, bmags said: Here's a fun one: Would you trade Vaughn and Kopech for Shohei Ohtani (FA 2024). In a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: In a second. It is a funny hypothetical. Sox inherit the Ohtani injury risk but he offers - Unbelievable upgrade vs RHP - Another #2/3 starter OR the same kopech spot starter / long man role. Giolito/Lynn/Ohtani/Rodon/Keuchel 😍 September lineup of Anderson/Eloy/Moncada/Abreu/Ohtani/Robert/Eaton/Grandal/Madrigal hotflashes...hot, hot flashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, bmags said: It is a funny hypothetical. Sox inherit the Ohtani injury risk but he offers - Unbelievable upgrade vs RHP - Another #2/3 starter OR the same kopech spot starter / long man role. Giolito/Lynn/Ohtani/Rodon/Keuchel 😍 September lineup of Anderson/Eloy/Moncada/Abreu/Ohtani/Robert/Eaton/Grandal/Madrigal hotflashes...hot, hot flashes. I trust the Sox more than anyone to be able to squeeze a maximum of health out of P Ohtani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I trust the Sox more than anyone to be able to squeeze a maximum of health out of P Ohtani. After this year? Feels like he'd pull rip his groin clean off in start 1 and we'd see him in a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, bmags said: It is a funny hypothetical. Sox inherit the Ohtani injury risk but he offers - Unbelievable upgrade vs RHP - Another #2/3 starter OR the same kopech spot starter / long man role. Giolito/Lynn/Ohtani/Rodon/Keuchel 😍 September lineup of Anderson/Eloy/Moncada/Abreu/Ohtani/Robert/Eaton/Grandal/Madrigal hotflashes...hot, hot flashes. Lilian would do ———— if this actually happened? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I trust the Sox more than anyone to be able to squeeze a maximum of health out of P Ohtani. Suddenly we’re so trusting of Katz after completely throwing in the towel on Cooper? How do we explain how much better the bullpen was last year? What about Keuchel? What about Crochet? Bummer? Heuer? Katz has Rodon and Cease and I guess Kopech to crow about, but TLR also has Lance Lynn, the best pitcher on the team so far this year...along with Hendriks, one of the most expensive relievers in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Suddenly we’re so trusting of Katz after completely throwing in the towel on Cooper? How do we explain how much better the bullpen was last year? What about Keuchel? What about Crochet? Bummer? Heuer? Katz has Rodon and Cease and I guess Kopech to crow about, but TLR also has Lance Lynn, the best pitcher on the team so far this year...along with Hendriks, one of the most expensive relievers in baseball. What do you want, us to be excited or to be suspicious of Katz. Let us know 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 40 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: What do you want, us to be excited or to be suspicious of Katz. Let us know Fair and balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Fair and balanced. I don't think you are on the site you think you are on if you expect this. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 47 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Suddenly we’re so trusting of Katz after completely throwing in the towel on Cooper? How do we explain how much better the bullpen was last year? What about Keuchel? What about Crochet? Bummer? Heuer? Katz has Rodon and Cease and I guess Kopech to crow about, but TLR also has Lance Lynn, the best pitcher on the team so far this year...along with Hendriks, one of the most expensive relievers in baseball. Google define whataboutism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Basically, Christian Yelich to Milwaukee... Yelich wasn't a superstar when he was traded to Milwaukee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yelich wasn't a superstar when he was traded to Milwaukee. No, but it was relatively easy to project him and Ozuna (well, not the DV part.). The power numbers were obviously the biggest surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: No, but it was relatively easy to project him and Ozuna (well, not the DV part.). The power numbers were obviously the biggest surprise. It was easy to project Yelich from hitting 20 bombs to 40?? huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yelich wasn't a superstar when he was traded to Milwaukee. He was a solid player with big future who was about to get expensive, so Jeter wanted to trade him. There was discussion with White Sox centering around Alex Hanson, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 41 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Yelich wasn't a superstar when he was traded to Milwaukee. He had accumulated 10 fWAR the two years prior to being traded. I'd argue that's pretty much superstar status or at least really really close. Especially fro a 24 year old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: It was easy to project Yelich from hitting 20 bombs to 40?? huh? While he probably wasn't a superstar and was likely the kind of guy that 2016/2017 mlb GMs probably overvalued, he was a Center Fielder with a pretty bankable 120 wRC+, which as we may have noticed when Robert went down, many teams do not have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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