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Since 1990 who is the Sox 2nd best player?

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Obviously Frank is #1.  But who would be #2?  Chris Sale?  Any current Sox about to take over #2? 

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1 minute ago, Briro2021 said:

Obviously Frank is #1.  But who would be #2?  Chris Sale?  Any current Sox about to take over #2? 

Konerko? MB?

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Chicago White Sox bWAR leaders over the past 30 years:

  • Frank Thomas 77.1
  • Mark Buehrle 49.0
  • Robin Ventura 39.4
  • Chris Sale 30.0
  • Paul Konerko 29.2
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5 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Chicago White Sox bWAR leaders over the past 30 years:

  • Frank Thomas 77.1
  • Mark Buehrle 49.0
  • Robin Ventura 39.4
  • Chris Sale 30.0
  • Paul Konerko 29.2

DAMN had no idea MB would be that high over PK

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Depends how you weight career value vs peak. No one alive has seen a better pitcher on the White Sox than Chris Sale, but obviously Buehrle had a "better" career with the Sox.

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Career: Buehrle
Peak: Sale
Hitter: Konerko (Both bWAR and fWAR argue Robin over Konerko here, but 2005 alone tips the scales towards Paulie)

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Also, if this turns into a Buehrle thread, I need to share one of my favorite articles ever: The Curious Case of Mark Buehrle

It's essentially a breakdown of how Mark was able to defy every single bit of conventional wisdom when it came to pitching. These two paragraphs are a fun nugget.

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In fact, if we add together the value of Buehrle’s ability to pick off runners before he throws a pitch with his glove work after he throws a pitch — which Baseball Info Solutions does with its Defensive Runs Saved statistic — we find that Buehrle has saved himself 85 runs since 2003 alone. That works out to 34 runs saved over a full defensive season, which means leaving the world of Tulowitzki behind and reaching the planet inhabited by Andrelton Simmons, the best defensive player in the universe. For his career, Simmons has saved an average of 32 runs above average per season.

And that, in essence, is the secret of Buehrle’s success: He’s a thoroughly average pitcher, but thanks to what he does before and after he hurls the ball to home plate, he saves more runs than any defensive player alive inning for inning.

 

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2 minutes ago, Quin said:

Also, if this turns into a Buehrle thread, I need to share one of my favorite articles ever: The Curious Case of Mark Buehrle

It's essentially a breakdown of how Mark was able to defy every single bit of conventional wisdom when it came to pitching. These two paragraphs are a fun nugget.

 

WOW i knew he was good lol but.....

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44 minutes ago, Quin said:

Career: Buehrle
Peak: Sale
Hitter: Konerko (Both bWAR and fWAR argue Robin over Konerko here, but 2005 alone tips the scales towards Paulie)

Peak is Albert Belle tho

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2 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

Peak is Albert Belle tho

Top Two Consecutive Seasons bWAR Leaders > 1990 (Individual Players listed once for top two years): 

  • 14.0 F. Thomas (1991-1992)
  • 12.6 C. Sale (2013-2014)
  • 11.5 J. Danks (2008-2009)
  • 11.3 R. Ventura (1991-1992 & 1992-1993)
  • 11.0  M. Buehrle (2001-2002)
  • 10.8 M. Ordonez (2002-2003)
  • 10.7 A. Eaton (2015-2016)
  • 10.2 A. Fernandez (1995-1996)
  • 10.1 T. Raines (1992-1993)
  • 9.9 L. Johnson (1992-1993)
  • 9.7 J. McDowell (1992-1993)
  • 9.4 A. Ramirez (2010-2011); J. Quintana (2015-2016)
  • 9.3 J. Vazquez (2007-2008); J. Abreu (2014-2015)
  • 8.6 W. Alvarez (1993-1994); A. Belle (1997-1998)

Single Season bWAR Leaders > 1990 (6.0+): 

  • 7.3 F. Thomas (1997)
  • 7.2 E. Loaiza (2003)
  • 7.1 A. Belle (1998)
  • 7.0 F. Thomas (1991 & 1992)
  • 6.6 A. Eaton (2016)
  • 6.5 C. Sale (2013)
  • 6.4 F. Thomas (1994); A. Fernandez (1996); J. Danks (2008)
  • 6.3 T. Raines (1992)
  • 6.2 F. Thomas (1993) & J. Vazquez (2007)
  • 6.1 L. Johnson (1993); M. Buehrle (2007); C. Sale (2014)
  • 6.0 R. Ventura (1992); F. Thomas (2000); M. Buehrle (2001)

 

 

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Buerhle without a doubt. He gave us the statistics and the best moments. I remember watching Sportscenter and every play had the Buerhle-meter. He had his buzzed save in the World Series. The no hitter and perfect game giving us the Dewayne Wise catch. No contest.

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11 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Chicago White Sox bWAR leaders over the past 30 years:

  • Frank Thomas 77.1
  • Mark Buehrle 49.0
  • Robin Ventura 39.4
  • Chris Sale 30.0
  • Paul Konerko 29.2

Surprised PK only had 29.2. Thanks for posting 

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1 hour ago, reiks12 said:

Surprised PK only had 29.2. Thanks for posting 

Defense kills him.

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