YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! 1,395 Posted December 24, 2020 Pittsburgh is obviously blowing things up. Musgrove could be a good fit for the Sox. Thoughts? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SonofaRoache 1,400 Posted December 24, 2020 At what cost? I'd love to have him but who do we give up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron883 2,308 Posted December 24, 2020 All depends on the cost of course. If all it takes is The Little Magician and some lesser pieces, sure. Sign La Stella to replace him and you're good to go. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron883 2,308 Posted December 24, 2020 Madrigal and Rutherford. Get er done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y2Jimmy0 1,785 Posted December 24, 2020 There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pal 73 Posted December 24, 2020 Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. Man, if that's the case (and I'm not doubting it is), why isn't a deal done by the Sox or any other team in need of pitching? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoCalChiSox 335 Posted December 24, 2020 Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. And Cherington wants prospects not MLB players anyway. Stiever should be the headliner and throw in a few lower pieces but none of Kelley, Crochet, Dalquist or Thompson (or Kopech, obviously). I'm hesitant to throw in Rutherford as it sounds like he made some real strides power wise according to something I read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hi8is 1,399 Posted December 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. I was going to say something similar... Musgrove is a number 5 type around replacement level. Nothingburger trade value with many similar FA options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScooterMcGee 657 Posted December 24, 2020 Why are so many people so willing to trade Madrigal. Who the hell will play 2B if he's traded? 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! 1,395 Posted December 24, 2020 1 minute ago, hi8is said: I was going to say something similar... Musgrove is a number 5 type around replacement level. Nothingburger trade value with many similar FA options. Lol Musgrove is a lot better than a #5 replacement level starting pitcher. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hi8is 1,399 Posted December 24, 2020 1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Lol Musgrove is a lot better than a #5 replacement level starting pitcher. Not by much... https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=musgro000joe 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreenSox 343 Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) Madrigal or any top young player for Musgrove is a joke. Not to mention you close one hole and open another. The Lynn package would have been reasonable. Edited December 24, 2020 by GreenSox 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danny Dravot 1 Posted December 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, ron883 said: Madrigal and Rutherford. Get er done! Musgrove sucks and you want to give up Madrigal+? Glad you don’t run the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manbearpuig 1,395 Posted December 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: Why are so many people so willing to trade Madrigal. Who the hell will play 2B if he's traded? One of the many options in free agency. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFutureIsNear 196 Posted December 24, 2020 Ehh he’s 28 and probably is what he is at this point. He’s not a TOR arm so no idea why we’d trade for him when there are still free agent arms available that will give us the similar production without having to give up assets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hi8is 1,399 Posted December 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, GreenSox said: The Lynn package would have been reasonable. Dunning + for Musgrove? No way Jose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCsoxfan 237 Posted December 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. Even the worst GM that was drunk wouldn’t trade Nick for Musgrove 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiliIrishHammock24 753 Posted December 24, 2020 Madrigal OR Stiever? Those are vastly different levels of prospect. I would be willing to move Madrigal for Musgrove if they can find a way to get Adam Frazier back. No sense creating a hole at 2B just to get a #4 guy in our rotation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 1,084 Posted December 24, 2020 What does the trade analyzer say? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoosierSox 72 Posted December 24, 2020 Stiever + Rutherford. Who says no? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thxfrthmmrs 638 Posted December 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, hi8is said: Not by much... https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=musgro000joe This is where you rely on fWAR over bWAR for pitcher evaluation. fWAR uses FIP as their basis for pitcher's WAR while BR uses runs allowed. The former provides a better indicator than the latter. Musgrove since becomes a full time starter 3 years ago: 2018 2.2 WAR / 19 GS 2019 3.3 WAR / 31 GS 2020 1 WAR/ 8 GS If you go with Statcast metrics, his xERA also suggests a pretty good pitcher. All in all, I think He's a a decent #3 starter who will give you 3-3.5 WAR in a full season, will cost somewhere around $8M over the next two years. I am not a Madrigal hater though, so I wouldn't give up Madrigal for him. Any combination of Stiever, Adolfo, Collins, Rutherford would be fine by me. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thxfrthmmrs 638 Posted December 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: What does the trade analyzer say? Moncada, Cease, Crochet for starters. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hi8is 1,399 Posted December 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: This is where you rely on fWAR over bWAR for pitcher evaluation. fWAR uses FIP as their basis for pitcher's WAR while BR uses runs allowed. The former provides a better indicator than the latter. Musgrove since becomes a full time starter 3 years ago: 2018 2.2 WAR / 19 GS 2019 3.3 WAR / 31 GS 2020 1 WAR/ 8 GS If you go with Statcast metrics, his xERA also suggests a pretty good pitcher. All in all, I think He's a a decent #3 starter who will give you 3-3.5 WAR in a full season, will cost somewhere around $8M over the next two years. I am not a Madrigal hater though, so I wouldn't give up Madrigal for him. Any combination of Stiever, Adolfo, Collins, Rutherford would be fine by me. Thanks, very good post. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominikk85 395 Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, hi8is said: I was going to say something similar... Musgrove is a number 5 type around replacement level. Nothingburger trade value with many similar FA options. Musgrove ist certainly way better than replacement level, last 3 years he was 2.2, 3 3 and 1 (2.7 full season) war which makes him a 3/4. However I wouldn't want to give up madrigal either for him as it would be similar player quality but only a third of the control years. Edited December 24, 2020 by Dominikk85 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hi8is 1,399 Posted December 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: Musgrove ist certainly way better than replacement level, last 3 years he was 2.2, 3 3 and 1 (2.7 full season) war which makes him a 3/4. However I wouldn't want to give up madrigal either for him as it would be similar player quality but only a third of the control years. I wasn’t looking at fWar and happily stand corrected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
