Harold's Leg Lift 1,151 Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, SoxSteve said: not sure but he did play road games. Did those fields have turf? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulture 426 Posted January 13 Pretty sure all fields have turf otherwise we’d just be playing on rock. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppysox 1,451 Posted January 13 41 minutes ago, Wisebri224 said: I love having talks like this. You make me really think about stuff. Of the 4 guys mentioned in trade talks for a package like this (Gray, Castillo, Burnes, Woodruff), who available in free agency not named Trevor Bauer comes with the current success or upside of any of these 4? There aren't any unless I'm totally boneheading it (which I may be:)). Just as an example here are comparisons metric wise to guys available: Jose Quintana - Cole Hamels, Eric Lauer, Ross Detwiler - of 13 categories they measure, he is above 50% in 2, BB% and barrel Garrett Richards - German Marquez, Zack Wheeler (excellent velocity and spin.....maybe, but what is the price when average schmucks are getting $10-$12 million?) Now on the other hand: Corbin Burnes - Yu Darvish, Walker Beuhler, Zack Wheeler - in the RED in 11 of 13 categories Sonny Gray - Red in 12 of 13 categories Luis Castillo - 12 of 13 Brandon Woodruff 12 of 13 That's why when you can get guys like this for $5 million on down for 3-4 years in my opinion you give up bats that are not elite, relievers, and SP you don't know about because you have a plethora of them. I honestly look forward to your rebuttal because I think this is fun! To me, the Sox still have about $20-$25 million they may "safely" spend. If it takes $12 million to get an ok #4 we aren't getting much else of value. If we make a trade for a guy like these, all of a sudden you have another $15 million to get a legit bat (or maybe only $7-$8 million if you sign LaStella IF they trade Madrigal). I for one am for this plan I imagine it just depends on how badly we need a Burnes vs the value we place on Madrigal and Heuer on the current roster along with the future of Kelley and Stiever. Since we can find adequate #4 from the list you mention...I wouldn't be inclined to make that trade. Our 4 guys are all cheap with lots of upsides as is Burnes. It's doesn't have the advantage in unloading expensive vets for a young gun. I do understand some of you think nothing of Madrigal but we will just continue to disagree on that one. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fathom 5,748 Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Did those fields have turf? He needs to get familiar with playing behind the lip of the grass. I think that part of his defense will be way better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulture 426 Posted January 13 Burnes isn’t eligible for free agency until ‘25 though so this year wouldn’t be only consideration. Lynn free agent next year, Keuchel the year after that. Sox can definitely use Burnes 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 1,151 Posted January 13 18 minutes ago, fathom said: He needs to get familiar with playing behind the lip of the grass. I think that part of his defense will be way better. Playing on turf covers up a lot of shortcomings (pun intended?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptatc 1,544 Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Playing on turf covers up a lot of shortcomings (pun intended?) It does some but it is also harder in ways too. The ball travels much faster on artificial surfaces so you need to have faster reaction time and be quicker to the ball. He did win a gold glove in the minors. Not that means everything but he must have done at least a good job on fields that are historically much harder to play on than the MLB ones. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EloyJenkins 833 Posted January 14 1 minute ago, aeichhor said: I LOVE them being aggressive. Padres and Sox doing it right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MiddleCoastBias 348 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, aeichhor said: I can also predict something will happen fast - there's only 4.5 weeks until pitchers and catchers report, *of course* things need to heat up now. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orlando 1,418 Posted January 14 10 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said: I can also predict something will happen fast - there's only 4.5 weeks until pitchers and catchers report, *of course* things need to heat up now. People have been saying things will happen fast all across the league since the winter meetings. So I hope you are right! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fathom 5,748 Posted January 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Orlando said: People have been saying things will happen fast all across the league since the winter meetings. So I hope you are right! Literally nothing happened today besides Pedro Baez Edited January 14 by fathom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hi8is 1,475 Posted January 14 1 minute ago, fathom said: Literally nothing happened today I pushed refresh on Soxtalk probably 125 times... that’s something. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orlando 1,418 Posted January 14 10 minutes ago, fathom said: Literally nothing happened today besides Pedro Baez Yup. There was actually a report saying that the signing of Hendriks may SLOW the market 🤦🏻♂️ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maloney.adam 364 Posted January 14 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Orlando said: Yup. There was actually a report saying that the signing of Hendriks may SLOW the market 🤦🏻♂️ I know it’s ridiculous. There are a ton of free agents on the market and watch some of them will still not be signed before the season starts. Lol 😂 Edited January 14 by maloney.adam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rey21 100 Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Orlando said: Yup. There was actually a report saying that the signing of Hendriks may SLOW the market 🤦🏻♂️ For all the owners who cried poor, to see Jerry of all owners give out the richest contract ever for a reliever I’m sure has free agents pumped and some owners annoyed, I could see it being a long standoff again but sooner or later the dam is gonna break, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orlando 1,418 Posted January 14 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rey21 said: For all the owners who cried poor, to see Jerry of all owners give out the richest contract ever for a reliever I’m sure has free agents pumped and some owners annoyed, I could see it being a long standoff again but sooner or later the dam is gonna break, right? I have no idea. If I was asked during the Winter Meetings if 85% of the free agent market would still available and the White Sox had the largest free agent signing by January 13th id say you were crazy. So that’s I when Al says it should happen fast I don’t take it as a “duh there is 5 weeks left” type tweet. He said the same about Hendriks and it was fast as compared to the rest of the league. It’s a joke. Edited January 14 by Orlando Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaliSoxFanViaSWside 2,183 Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, Orlando said: I have no idea. If I was asked during the Winter Meetings if 85% of the free agent market would still available and the White Sox had the largest free agent signing by January 13th id say you were crazy. So that’s I when Al says it should happen fast I don’t take it as a “duh there is 5 weeks left” type tweet. He said the same about Hendriks and it was fast as compared to the rest of the league. It’s a joke. It truly is a joke. It's hard to pinpoint what's going on besides making the obvious assumption that the owners are trying to make a point on how much Covid hurt the bottom line. To that end they must be really hoping the long wait drives FA prices into the ground. You could probably make 4 decent 5 man SP rotations with all the SP left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rey21 100 Posted January 14 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Orlando said: I have no idea. If I was asked during the Winter Meetings if 85% of the free agent market would still available and the White Sox had the largest free agent signing by January 13th id say you were crazy. So that’s I when Al says it should happen fast I don’t take it as a “duh there is 5 weeks left” type tweet. He said the same about Hendriks and it was fast as compared to the rest of the league. It’s a joke. Oh yeah the Sox seem to be acting with urgency which is good and bad (Eaton) to see. If they can quickly get another SP and assuming it would cost Madrigal, my guess is they have his replacement in mind already, get whomever it is picked up and then can afford to wait out the DH role for a little bit (hopefully Ozuna) they’re in good shape Edited January 14 by Rey21 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron883 2,389 Posted January 14 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: It truly is a joke. It's hard to pinpoint what's going on besides making the obvious assumption that the owners are trying to make a point on how much Covid hurt the bottom line. To that end they must be really hoping the long wait drives FA prices into the ground. You could probably make 4 decent 5 man SP rotations with all the SP left. That's why I'm against trading for a pitcher at this point. Just sign Q and roll with what we got. You can always trade at the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaliSoxFanViaSWside 2,183 Posted January 14 1 minute ago, ron883 said: That's why I'm against trading for a pitcher at this point. Just sign Q and roll with what we got. You can always trade at the deadline. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think the Sox are seeking a trade but a trade on their terms. I think they will have a hard time doing that and ultimately end up signing a starting pitcher. You like Q and I don't really really understand why and I like Taijuan Walker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balta1701 3,051 Posted January 14 38 minutes ago, Rey21 said: For all the owners who cried poor, to see Jerry of all owners give out the richest contract ever for a reliever I’m sure has free agents pumped and some owners annoyed, I could see it being a long standoff again but sooner or later the dam is gonna break, right? I’m sure this was dealt with somewhere else, but how exactly is $50 million the largest contract in history for a reliever when Chapman signed originally for 5/$86 with an opt out? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CWSpalehoseCWS 622 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, hi8is said: I pushed refresh on Soxtalk probably 125 times... that’s something. Only 125 times? And you call yourself a fan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sullythered 17 Posted January 14 26 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I’m sure this was dealt with somewhere else, but how exactly is $50 million the largest contract in history for a reliever when Chapman signed originally for 5/$86 with an opt out? You have to really do some mental gymnastics to make it true, but I'm almost positive the people saying biggest reliever contract ever mean that it's $54 mil guaranteed, even if he pitches three years for the Sox. In that case, he technically has the highest AAV of any reliever ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southsider2k5 6,120 Posted January 14 36 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I’m sure this was dealt with somewhere else, but how exactly is $50 million the largest contract in history for a reliever when Chapman signed originally for 5/$86 with an opt out? My guess is they are looking at it as 3/54 and coming up with 18m/yr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
