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2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

What do you guys think the White Sox rotation looks like on June 1st? 

Giolito, Lynn, Keuchel, J Gray, Cease

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2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

What do you guys think the White Sox rotation looks like on June 1st? 

Giolito

Lynn

Keuchel

Cease

Lopez

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2 minutes ago, chetkincaid said:

Giolito

Lynn

Keuchel

Cease

Lopez

Ugh. This shows just how bad of shape our rotation is in. Even the addition of Lynn doesn't even seem like much. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if we don't add anything of significance to the rotation then the Lynn trade was a complete waste. Perhaps even a smokescreen?

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5 minutes ago, chetkincaid said:

Giolito

Lynn

Keuchel

Cease

Lopez

Kopech?

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17 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Giolito, Lynn, Keuchel, J Gray, Cease

Gray added before season starts in this scenario?

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20 minutes ago, chetkincaid said:

Giolito

Lynn

Keuchel

Cease

Lopez

Lopez will not start a game unless there are injuries or he has a major turn in ST. 

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29 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:

Ugh. This shows just how bad of shape our rotation is in. Even the addition of Lynn doesn't even seem like much. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if we don't add anything of significance to the rotation then the Lynn trade was a complete waste. Perhaps even a smokescreen?

That doesn't make any sense. The rotation is better with Lynn regardless of what else is done. How is adding a good pitcher a smokescreen?

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22 minutes ago, shakes said:

That doesn't make any sense. The rotation is better with Lynn regardless of what else is done. How is adding a good pitcher a smokescreen?

To shadow the fact they aren't going to work to make it well-rounded. As of now we still basically have 3 starters and 2 of them are likely for regression. They have to know we likely aren't going to be significantly better without at least 1 other quality starter. Which again, would makes the Lynn trade terrible if they aren't actually "going for it."

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4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Yes sir.

That would be nice.

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4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Yes sir.

Jon Gray, the same guy that lost 2mph off his fastball in 2020 and got lit up like a cheap Christmas tree? 

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3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Jon Gray, the same guy that lost 2mph off his fastball in 2020 and got lit up like a cheap Christmas tree? 

Cheap Christmas trees usually don’t light up. That’s why they are cheap.

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38 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:

To shadow the fact they aren't going to work to make it well-rounded. As of now we still basically have 3 starters and 2 of them are likely for regression. They have to know we likely aren't going to be significantly better without at least 1 other quality starter. Which again, would makes the Lynn trade terrible if they aren't actually "going for it."

Sorry, still makes no sense. Regression isn't guaranteed with any of their pitchers. They are one pitcher better. I hope they get another, but as is they are still an AL contender, with multiple avenues to get better, and internal options - with a trade deadline to improve in season.

 

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3 minutes ago, shakes said:

Sorry, still makes no sense. Regression isn't guaranteed with any of their pitchers. They are one pitcher better. I hope they get another, but as is they are still an AL contender, with multiple avenues to get better, and internal options - with a trade deadline to improve in season.

 

I didn't say guaranteed, I said likely. And I am correct. You can't honestly say you don't see that. It absolutely makes sense because it is true.

High chance it's not enough to move the needle in the playoffs. We need another quastarter. 

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Wow definitely was thinking sonny gray big diff there

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1 minute ago, shakes said:

Sorry, still makes no sense. Regression isn't guaranteed with any of their pitchers. They are one pitcher better. I hope they get another, but as is they are still an AL contender, with multiple avenues to get better, and internal options - with a trade deadline to improve in season.

 

I doubt Keuchel gives you a sub 2.00 ERA again. There is a decent chance Lynn regresses a little. The projections even seem to think Giolito might fall back some. But usually the projections are pretty conservative. Cease has great stuff. If he gets some command, he will be fine. Kopech looked great in spring training, but who knows how much rust he has, and how many innings the Sox want to send him out there. I still have some hope for Lopez but he is probably almost out of rope. The Sox are short with starters. I think JR looks at Cleveland and thinks no way they will hold up now. Probably looks at Minnesota and thinks they have a lot of work to do to get back to what they were and not much time to do it, and decides the Sox are good enough where they are at or some Wainwright level addition. Hopefully it doesn’t come back to bite him in the ass in October.

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4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I doubt Keuchel gives you a sub 2.00 ERA again. There is a decent chance Lynn regresses a little. The projections even seem to think Giolito might fall back some. But usually the projections are pretty conservative. Cease has great stuff. If he gets some command, he will be fine. Kopech looked great in spring training, but who knows how much rust he has, and how many innings the Sox want to send him out there. I still have some hope for Lopez but he is probably almost out of rope. The Sox are short with starters. I think JR looks at Cleveland and thinks no way they will hold up now. Probably looks at Minnesota and thinks they have a lot of work to do to get back to what they were and not much time to do it, and decides the Sox are good enough where they are at or some Wainwright level addition. Hopefully it doesn’t come back to bite him in the ass in October.

At best we're looking at a crapshoot. We are not going to optimize. And that makes the Lynn trade terrible alone.

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1 minute ago, RagahRagah said:

At best we're looking at a crapshoot. We are not going to optimize. And that makes the Lynn trade terrible alone.

Zips has Giolito as the best pitcher in baseball this year, so there's that. I agree that it's a crapshoot beyond him. 

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19 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:

I didn't say guaranteed, I said likely. And I am correct. You can't honestly say you don't see that. It absolutely makes sense because it is true.

High chance it's not enough to move the needle in the playoffs. We need another quastarter. 

They have improved in other areas and young players get better. I don't expect Keuchel to be as good as last year, but there is no reason think Lynn can't and Gio isn't still ascending. I am correct and that is true, likely, but not guaranteed. 

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1 minute ago, shakes said:

They have improved in other areas and young players get better. I don't expect Keuchel to be as good as last year, but there is no reason think Lynn can't and Gio isn't still ascending. I am correct and that is true, likely, but not guaranteed. 

They added 1 (admittedly fantastic) reliever.

You're dancing around the point. They have not optimized and they really haven't spent much. I totally look at Lynn as a red herring here.

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2 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:

They added 1 (admittedly fantastic) reliever.

You're dancing around the point. They have not optimized and they really haven't spent much. I totally look at Lynn as a red herring here.

They did. Now he probably cant outperform Colome’s 2020 except for maybe advanced wise but that doesn’t give you extra wins. But they did set themselves up nicely for games they lead late.and he is very likely to outperform Colome going forward.

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4 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:

They added 1 (admittedly fantastic) reliever.

You're dancing around the point. They have not optimized and they really haven't spent much. I totally look at Lynn as a red herring here.

Red herring?  What in the world are you talking about?

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28 minutes ago, shakes said:

Sorry, still makes no sense. Regression isn't guaranteed with any of their pitchers. They are one pitcher better. I hope they get another, but as is they are still an AL contender, with multiple avenues to get better, and internal options - with a trade deadline to improve in season.

 

Everyone will regress, and on the other hand the young pitchers have ZERO chance of ever getting better and reaching their potential. 

This is such a miserable pessimistic fanbase.  

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1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Red herring?  What in the world are you talking about?

Follow the quotes.

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23 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

Everyone will regress, and on the other hand the young pitchers have ZERO chance of ever getting better and reaching their potential. 

This is such a miserable pessimistic fanbase.  

Everyone? There are differences between different people. Gio seems solidified. Lynn is 34. Keuchel was almost bad 2 or 3 years prior.

Analyze things instead of thinking in black and white.

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