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Right now the Yankees look like the team to beat in the AL with a 50+ projected fWAR, so I figured it would be a fun exercise to do a position by position comparison to see how we stack up against them and where we must improve to narrow the gap.

Note, this won’t be an OD roster comparison, but rather a potential end of season view to account for key call-ups or guys returning from injury.

Lineup:

  • 1B: Abreu vs. Voit | EVEN
  • 2B: Madrigal vs. LeMahieu | NYY++
  • SS: Anderson vs. Torres | EVEN
  • 3B: Moncada vs. Urshela | CWS+
  • LF: Jimenez vs. Frazier | CWS+
  • CF: Robert vs. Hicks | CWS+
  • RF: Eaton vs. Judge | NYY+++
  • DH: Vaugh vs. Stanton | NYY++
  • CA: Grandal vs. Sanchez | CWS++

Bench:

  • IF: Mendick vs. Wade | EVEN
  • OF: Engel vs. Tauchman | NYY+
  • UT: Garcia vs. Ford | EVEN
  • BC: Collins vs. Higashioka | NYY+

Rotation:

  • SP1: Giolito vs. Cole | EVEN
  • SP2: Lynn vs. Severino | EVEN
  • SP3: Keuchel vs. Kluber | CWS+
  • SP4: Cease vs. Taillon | NYY+
  • SP5: Kopech vs. Montgomery | NYY+
  • SP6: Lopez vs. German | NYY+
  • SP7: Stiever vs. Garcia | NYY+

Bullpen:

  • CL: Hendriks vs. Chapman | EVEN
  • SU: Bummer vs. Britton | CWS+
  • SU: Crochet vs. Green | EVEN
  • SU: Heuer vs. Ottavino | EVEN
  • MR: Marshall vs. Cessa | CWS+
  • MR: Foster vs. Loaisiga | CWS+
  • MR: Fry vs. Nelson| CWS+
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Can you even count Stanton to be in their lineup anymore 

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9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Right now the Yankees look like the team to beat in the AL with a 50+ projected fWAR, so I figured it would be a fun exercise to do a position by position comparison to see how we stack up against them and where we must improve to narrow the gap.

Note, this won’t be an OD roster comparison, but rather a potential end of season view to account for key call-ups or guys returning from injury.

Lineup:

  • 1B: Abreu vs. Voit | EVEN
  • 2B: Madrigal vs. LeMahieu | NYY++
  • SS: Anderson vs. Torres | EVEN
  • 3B: Moncada vs. Urshela | CWS+
  • LF: Jimenez vs. Frazier | CWS+
  • CF: Robert vs. Hicks | CWS+
  • RF: Eaton vs. Judge | NYY+++
  • DH: Vaugh vs. Stanton | NYY++
  • CA: Grandal vs. Sanchez | CWS++

Bench:

  • IF: Mendick vs. Wade | EVEN
  • OF: Engel vs. Tauchman | NYY+
  • UT: Garcia vs. Ford | EVEN
  • BC: Collins vs. Higashioka | NYY+

Rotation:

  • SP1: Giolito vs. Cole | EVEN
  • SP2: Lynn vs. Severino | EVEN
  • SP3: Keuchel vs. Kluber | CWS+
  • SP4: Cease vs. Montgomery | NYY+
  • SP5: Kopech vs. German | NYY+
  • SP6: Stiever vs. Garcia | NYY+

Bullpen:

  • CL: Hendriks vs. Chapman | EVEN
  • SU: Bummer vs. Britton | CWS+
  • SU: Crochet vs. Green | EVEN
  • SU: Heuer vs. Ottavino | EVEN
  • MR: Marshall vs. Cessa | CWS+
  • MR: Foster vs. Loaisiga | CWS+
  • MR: Fry vs. Nelson| CWS+
  • LR: Lopez vs. Abreu | CWS+

 

Maybe I'm biased, but I'd give us the edge at short.  

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Good idea. I might disagree with Abreu vs VVoit, since Jose is MVP, RBI leader, etc. He might regress, but Voit is not in that arena. Likewise Timmy vs Torres.

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I thought this was pretty well put together and things can change during the season. 

 

Like Could I see Frazier struggling and Eloy becoming a MVP canidate- definitely. I think he has that kind of bat but in general only a slight difference in opinions. 

 

Honestly, I didn't think the Yankees were this good until I saw this breakdown. The Yankees are a hard team to judge because their star players seem to be constantly on the DL. 

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Gleyber over Timmy being NYY++ just don’t look right 

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Couple key takeaways:

  1. The Yankees have the better offense, but we have more youth in ours and therefore could see higher variances work out in our favor.  Moncada, Robert, & Eloy all have a chance to take a step forward and further separate from their Yankee peers.  If Vaughn clicks right away then he could narrow the gap at DH, especially when you consider Stanton’s injury history, but that’s probably an unfair ask.  Unfortunately, the gap at 2B likely is what it is as Madrigal simply doesn’t have the ceiling to move the needle much against a player as talented as LeMahieu.
  2. There aren’t many ways for us to catch-up with the Yankees on the position player front in terms of external additions.  RF is without question the biggest gap and IMO we botched it by adding such a low ceiling player in Eaton.  The only other spot that we could see an outside addition at is DH and Nelson Cruz is the only guy who I’d consider a massive upgrade over Vaughn.  However, signing someone like La Stella would also be helpful from a depth perspective as we don’t have a Tauchman player on our bench.  While the Yankees don’t have a Dodgers like bench, I’d put it ahead of ours at the moment.
  3. Rotation wise is where I see the biggest difference.  While I feel like the top three of each rotation are relatively comparable (don’t hate me for ranking Giolito & Cole as even), it’s the back-end and depth where problems quickly reside.  While Cease & Kopech have huge ceilings, both players must be discounted due to a high degree of uncertainty.  We also lack other quality options beyond those two, with Lopez as the most major ready one but coming off a disastrous 2020 season and Stiever the only guy with any semblance of ceiling.  The Yankees are simply deeper with more proven and/or interesting options and that makes a big difference in what should be a tough season for starting pitchers.  Adding Taillon would only further the gap.
  4. Despite Fangraphs and others thinking the Yankees have the best bullpen in baseball, I’d actually give this one to the Sox.  I think both clubs have great back-ends, but I’d definitely lean towards us, especially if Crochet can be Hader lite.  Where I see the biggest difference in the middle relief area.  Perhaps I’m just not familiar with these Yankees arms, but I liked what I saw Marshall, Foster, & Fry last year and based on primarily stats they seem to be superior to their Yankee counterparts.  Ultimately this come down to depth & confidence and I feel better about our middle relief arms at the moment.  The Yankees could cut the gap here though with a free agent addition and there are still plenty of arms out there.

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6 minutes ago, TheTruth05 said:

Gleyber over Timmy being NYY++ just don’t look right 

You're right it doesn't look right because it's listed as even so you misread it.

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17 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Can you even count Stanton to be in their lineup anymore 

I tried to be conservative there.  When healthy, he’s still a high-end hitter and while I’m bullish on Vaughn, asking him to be our primary DH with his limited amount of minor league development time is somewhat unprecedented.

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3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

You're right it doesn't look right because it's listed as even so you misread it.

Sure did. Still think Timmy has the edge

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19 minutes ago, black jack said:

 

Maybe I'm biased, but I'd give us the edge at short.  

 

17 minutes ago, bear_brian said:

Good idea. I might disagree with Abreu vs VVoit, since Jose is MVP, RBI leader, etc. He might regress, but Voit is not in that arena. Likewise Timmy vs Torres.

Abreu & Anderson were both better last year no doubt about it, but I’m expecting some negative regression from both and I do expect Torres to be much better in 2021.  Right now I have both spots as being pretty close and didn’t want to call it either way.

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2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I tried to be conservative there.  When healthy, he’s still a high-end hitter and while I’m bullish on Vaughn, asking him to be our primary DH with his limited amount of minor league development time is somewhat unprecedented.

I have seen arguments that will downgrade pitching because of the competition they faced in 2020 so if that is the case the Yankees played in a much stronger division. No telling how those rookie and young arms on the Sox might have fared in the better hitting East or how the Yankee pitchers would have fared in the Central.

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Very good write up. Adding Cruz and Q would have made a huge difference in this comparison. The Yankees can mash and pitch, but fate is on our side as they more often than not choke in post season lately. 

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17 minutes ago, kwill said:

I thought this was pretty well put together and things can change during the season. 

 

Like Could I see Frazier struggling and Eloy becoming a MVP canidate- definitely. I think he has that kind of bat but in general only a slight difference in opinions. 

 

Honestly, I didn't think the Yankees were this good until I saw this breakdown. The Yankees are a hard team to judge because their star players seem to be constantly on the DL. 

Funny you point out LF.  I originally had Eloy as being ++ better, but ultimately dropped it down to just +.  I think Eloy is going to have a massive 2021 season with the bat, but Frazier had a really nice 2020 season and if his defense is for real it cuts into the gap.  I’m hoping his 2020 season is a bit of a mirage but given his prospect pedigree, I erred on the side of conservatism here.

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Well put together...don't sell Lynn short though. If he is what he was the last two years ..thats a plus advantage

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2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

Very good write up. Adding Cruz and Q would have made a huge difference in this comparison. The Yankees can mash and pitch, but fate is on our side as they more often than not choke in post season lately. 

It shows the need to add another arm and some sort of bat, whether that be Cruz or a guy with some versatility like La Stella.  While I’d love to see another impactful starting pitching, it’s adding depth that’s most critical at the moment.  Our season could derial pretty quickly with the wrong set of injuries and/or under-performance.

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1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said:

Well put together...don't sell Lynn short though. If he is what he was the last two years ..that a plus advantage

I’m one of Lynn’s biggest fans on this board, but Severino was a 5+ win starter in 2018 & 2019.  I expect Lynn to end up in the 4.5 to 5 win range next year, which puts him close to Severino in terms of potential impact.

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This honestly helped sell me on Cruz even more. 

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Signing Marcell Ozuna would end this argument but we don’t live in such a world where the owner cares enough so I expect La Stella to be DH and the Yankees to then curb stomp Kuechel/Cease/Reynaldo/Kopech 

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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Right now the Yankees look like the team to beat in the AL with a 50+ projected fWAR, so I figured it would be a fun exercise to do a position by position comparison to see how we stack up against them and where we must improve to narrow the gap.

Note, this won’t be an OD roster comparison, but rather a potential end of season view to account for key call-ups or guys returning from injury.

Lineup:

  • 1B: Abreu vs. Voit | EVEN
  • 2B: Madrigal vs. LeMahieu | NYY++
  • SS: Anderson vs. Torres | EVEN
  • 3B: Moncada vs. Urshela | CWS+
  • LF: Jimenez vs. Frazier | CWS+
  • CF: Robert vs. Hicks | CWS+
  • RF: Eaton vs. Judge | NYY+++
  • DH: Vaugh vs. Stanton | NYY++
  • CA: Grandal vs. Sanchez | CWS++

Bench:

  • IF: Mendick vs. Wade | EVEN
  • OF: Engel vs. Tauchman | NYY+
  • UT: Garcia vs. Ford | EVEN
  • BC: Collins vs. Higashioka | NYY+

Rotation:

  • SP1: Giolito vs. Cole | EVEN
  • SP2: Lynn vs. Severino | EVEN
  • SP3: Keuchel vs. Kluber | CWS+
  • SP4: Cease vs. Montgomery | NYY+
  • SP5: Kopech vs. German | NYY+
  • SP6: Stiever vs. Garcia | NYY+

Bullpen:

  • CL: Hendriks vs. Chapman | EVEN
  • SU: Bummer vs. Britton | CWS+
  • SU: Crochet vs. Green | EVEN
  • SU: Heuer vs. Ottavino | EVEN
  • MR: Marshall vs. Cessa | CWS+
  • MR: Foster vs. Loaisiga | CWS+
  • MR: Fry vs. Nelson| CWS+
  • LR: Lopez vs. AbreuCWS+

I agree with most of this. But Anderson is significantly better than Torres. I would put that one as CWS++

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6 minutes ago, Sarava said:

I agree with most of this. But Anderson is significantly better than Torres. I would put that one as CWS++

It all depends on which players you get.  Torres just turned 24 years old and already has a 38 HR season under his belt.  I expect him to be better and improve on his 2019 season.  With Anderson is just comes down to defense and him being consistent over a full season.  If he can do that, then I could that ++ edge you’re referring to.

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Yanks just got Taillon - if heathy I’d rather be the Yankees than the WhiteSox right now. Sox can’t sit back and sign Wainwright and La Stella gotta think bigger here 

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1 minute ago, Rey21 said:

Yanks just got Taillon - if heathy I’d rather be the Yankees than the WhiteSox right now. Sox can’t sit back and sign Wainwright and La Stella gotta think bigger here 

Their SP depth is way better than ours at the moment, no idea what Hahn is waiting for.  If they’re banking on Katz performing miracles we’re in big trouble.

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There's no way that Giolito and Lynn are "equal" to a healthy Cole and Severino.

The Yanks have a much better rotation if they are healthy.  Sox have a better IF defense.  Yanks probably similar defensively in the OF because Eloy brings down the quality of the OF D so much.  Offensively both lineups are deep with power and speed, and lots of tough outs.  Both bullpens should be very good, but you never know how that will turn out.

Overall IMO the Yankees are definitely the better team ATM.  The Sox don't have the horses yet.

Also when you add D TA is way better than Gleyber.

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