RagahRagah Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 48 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It seems Quintana was just on a 3 year hot streak with the Sox and he got figured out in the NL. Glad Hahn was able to sell high. I honestly never got the fascination with Quintana. Decent but never thought he was special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, RagahRagah said: I honestly never got the fascination with Quintana. Decent but never thought he was special. He was worth more than 20 bWAR. There aren't a lot of starters like that around. Absolutely the best pitcher we've had since Buehrle, non-Sale divison. It's not even close. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, RagahRagah said: I honestly never got the fascination with Quintana. Decent but never thought he was special. Coop could fix him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, 3GamesToLove said: He was worth more than 20 bWAR. There aren't a lot of starters like that around. Absolutely the best pitcher we've had since Buehrle, non-Sale divison. It's not even close. Perhaps, but I don't necessarily feel like that was a long list. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps I need to view his advanced metrics but before I knew anything about that stuff it appeared to me like his results were consistently that of a backend starter at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: Perhaps, but I don't necessarily feel like that was a long list. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps I need to view his advanced metrics but before I knew anything about that stuff it appeared to me like his results were consistently that of a backend starter at best. You don't even need advanced metrics. His season ERA in said five seasons were 3.76 , 3.51, 3.32, 3.36, and 3.20! If that's a backend starter ("at best!?"), then you must be talking about an all-time great rotation. Those numbers are a solid #2 or even a #1 on some teams. Edited April 15, 2021 by 3GamesToLove 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: Perhaps, but I don't necessarily feel like that was a long list. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps I need to view his advanced metrics but before I knew anything about that stuff it appeared to me like his results were consistently that of a backend starter at best. You either have a terrible memory, or have no idea what results to expect from a back end- middle- or front end starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I love Jose when he was with us, but I think they traded him at peak value (#2 pitcher) and were compensated accordingly in what they received back. He's obviously more of a 4th/5th start now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It seems Quintana was just on a 3 year hot streak with the Sox and he got figured out in the NL. Glad Hahn was able to sell high. lol figured out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 47 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: I love Jose when he was with us, but I think they traded him at peak value (#2 pitcher) and were compensated accordingly in what they received back. He's obviously more of a 4th/5th start now. Agreed. He totally was a #2 from 2014-16, but he started to drop off in 2017 and Hahn was able to move him just in time, and did a nice sales job about the decline. IIRC Quintana had a 4.42 ERA when he was traded but was having a career year in strikeouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Parkman still waiting on the league “figuring out“ Kyle Hendricks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, turnin' two said: You either have a terrible memory, or have no idea what results to expect from a back end- middle- or front end starter. Perhaps the former is true. My recollection was not great results. Perhaps a lack of run support. Edited April 15, 2021 by RagahRagah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It seems Quintana was just on a 3 year hot streak with the Sox and he got figured out in the NL. Glad Hahn was able to sell high. What the fuck is a "3 year hot streak" lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 There's some straight up haters in this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Quintana was amazing for most of 2012 and helped carry their unexpected charge at the Tigers. He was one of the best #2/3 starters in baseball until 2017, when things started to go south. Arguably, on some bottom 10 teams, he would have been the ace or best pitcher. But a solid #2, definitely. His weak points were not always going long in games (past the 5th or 6th, especially near the end of his Sox career), and not being able to put away hitters because he lacked one true "plus" strikeout pitch that he could always call forth in pressure situations. Always overlooked because he was never a dominant stuff pitcher, but got by on guile, location and was in many ways similar to Mark Buehrle (or a Glavine with less control), except for sometimes slowing down the game a bit more with runners on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, gusguyman said: What the fuck is a "3 year hot streak" lmao Jake Arrieta? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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