caulfield12 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/royals-extend-salvador-perez-with-largest-contract-in-franchise-history/ Not to mention the ill-fated Alex Gordon deal only $1 million behind Grandal’s...personally, this move feels like the last one the Sox gave to Konerko. It won’t end well due to his size and injury history. Mostly at 1B/DH. 2021: $13 million (part of previous contract) 2022: $18 million 2023: $20 million 2024: $20 million 2025: $22 million 2026: $13.5 million club option ($2 million buyout) With $82 million in new money, Perez's extension is the largest contract in Royals history, surpassing the four-year contract worth $72 million the club gave Alex Gordon in 2016. The $20.5 million average annual value makes this the third-richest catching contract in history, trailing only J.T. Realmuto ($23.1 million) and Joe Mauer ($23 million). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Wow. Last year was the first time since 2013 Sal managed to reach a .300 obp. Obviously catching is the main thing with a catcher, but he really cashed in on 60 games there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/royals-extend-salvador-perez-with-largest-contract-in-franchise-history/ Not to mention the ill-fated Alex Gordon deal only $1 million behind Grandal’s...personally, this move feels like the last one the Sox gave to Konerko. It won’t end well due to his size and injury history. Mostly at 1B/DH. Agreed, 1 1/2 younger than Grandal but deal ends at the same age. Carlton Fisk is the only over 30 year old catcher I can recall continuing great production after 30, primarily because his extreme dedication to keeping in shape. Of course the Sox repaid him by cutting him on the road, and cutting off clubhouse access so he had to say goodbye from the left field seats because Jerry "Family" atmosphere. Cues Sly and the Family Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Never heard of Yadier Molina? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vulture said: Never heard of Yadier Molina? Look at his production before and after, 2014 was his one solid year after age 31, the only season with a bWAR above 1.8, He was a consistent above 3 bWAR before then with a 6.2 / 7.2 highlight seasons. The action on your knees gets to you after so many games. Molina got $60M his last deal before this year, averaged 1.3 bWAR. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molinya01.shtml People here were crowing Grandal catching 120 easy, and I don't see him catching much beyond 100 ever again, despite what he was able to do in his 20s. His bat will likely drop off as well, just gravity and time at work. Same with Perez, same with Mauer and Posey and just about anyone else who played the game at a high level in their 20s. Edited March 21, 2021 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Vulture said: Never heard of Yadier Molina? He doesn't know who Ivan Rodriguez or Yogi Berra are either, evidently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, ron883 said: He doesn't know who Ivan Rodriguez or Yogi Berra are either, evidently. I-Rod is a tough argument to make with all the steroids accusations. Fisk and Posada are the two arguments for catchers peaking around age 30 and doing well into their 30's/40's. Of course, Posada was also right in the middle of the steroids era. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/plenty-of-catchers-peak-after-30-will-the-mets-get-lucky-with-james-mccann/ Elston Howard, Piazza (mostly from offense/steroids again) and Gary Carter are the only others over 21 fWAR in their 30's, with I-Rod #6 at 21.3. Posada at 32.5, Fisk at 39.5, the obvious anomaly or outlier in the group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article250105754.html Sam Mellinger has a much better article up at kcstar.com but stuck behind a paywall. Edited March 22, 2021 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 23 hours ago, ron883 said: He doesn't know who Ivan Rodriguez or Yogi Berra are either, evidently. More failed trolling. Can't comprehend "just about anyone else", oblivious to the fact both had significant declines in WAR. Berra: 5 WAR player through age 31, under 3 WAR player his final five full time seasons (discarding the last two) I-Roid after his deal with Detroit, also at age 31 (consistent 5-6 WAR before, averaged under 3 WAR), with or without steroids. Just proves the point further that paying catchers (and most players) for performance they achieved in their 20s into their 30s with multi year contracts is a fools errand. Enter Rick Hahn with a big December announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 11:22 PM, South Side Hit Men said: More failed trolling. Can't comprehend "just about anyone else", oblivious to the fact both had significant declines in WAR. Berra: 5 WAR player through age 31, under 3 WAR player his final five full time seasons (discarding the last two) I-Roid after his deal with Detroit, also at age 31 (consistent 5-6 WAR before, averaged under 3 WAR), with or without steroids. Just proves the point further that paying catchers (and most players) for performance they achieved in their 20s into their 30s with multi year contracts is a fools errand. Enter Rick Hahn with a big December announcement. November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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