Jack Parkman Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, fathom said: Really is amazing how his 98 mph fastball looks slow to the hitters I know, right? What's weird is that he has a high spin rate but bad carry. Contrast that with Giolito who has a below average spin rate but elite carry. Edited March 25, 2021 by Jack Parkman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Liam Hendriks had a quote in a recent athletic article where he said it’s better to be below average than to be average. I think this is what he meant. Might be better off throwing 89 mph than 98 when everybody is throwing 98 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I said this last year in one of Cease's starts but he has to use his change up more similar to Gio to make his fastball less hittable. He used it quite a bit in a couple starts last year and pitched a lot better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2BB For Cease through 2+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, Jack Parkman said: 2BB For Cease through 2+. And numerous 3 ball counts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Cease isn’t all over the place, it’s just he doesn’t get anyone to chase pitches off the plate on a consistent basis. Maybe there’s simply no deception in his windup? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Yeah. He does not look good. It’s tough cuz Lynn and Rodon are both signed for this year only, so if Cease can’t make it, they have a lot of slots long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Yikes, shades of last year where he’s missing everything badly to the glove side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Never Cease to struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Yeah. He does not look good. It’s tough cuz Lynn and Rodon are both signed for this year only, so if Cease can’t make it, they have a lot of slots long term. That’s why they’re stretching out Kopech and Crochet in the minors 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 The lack of swing and misses is still what concerns me most about Cease. He could get by with poor command and walks if he was posting an elite K rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 This is hard to watch. Sox are up for like a minute and a half, then the Reds bat for 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Why did they squander their FA wad on a luxury purchase in Hendriks, instead of picking up some desperately needed SP depth? Cease has sucked at baseball, and has needed to be sent down to MiLB for him to find the fucking strike zone for awhile now. Lopez has sucked at baseball. And Rodon has sucked at baseball. Between Jimenez's injury, and Cease continually shitting his pants, all I can say is that this is not good. Edited March 25, 2021 by Two-Gun Pete 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, fathom said: That’s why they’re stretching out Kopech and Crochet in the minors The Dodgers have been able to develop Urias, May, and Gonsolin in a similar way. The question is whether the Sox will have the discipline to actually use Kopech in a multi inning role so he's able to get stretched out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: I agree with this. I saw that he will be there tomorrow, but under the idea that there's no time like the present to start something that is clearly necessary. Maybe I am wrong but he seems to not be missing badly. Getting squeezed some but hes there (obviously some bad balls).. I don't think the 3 walks are indicative of his command today. His curve has been good and no one has hit it hard at all and i even like the change.. The fastball is the issue still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: I said this last year in one of Cease's starts but he has to use his change up more similar to Gio to make his fastball less hittable. He used it quite a bit in a couple starts last year and pitched a lot better What makes Giolito's changeup so deadly is that his fastball has elite carry and the pitches tunnel for 50 feet. There was a Pitching Ninja overlay of Giolito's fastball/change and it was incredible how long they stay on the same plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 God Hamilton sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: The lack of swing and misses is still what concerns me most about Cease. He could get by with poor command and walks if he was posting an elite K rate. ^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Maybe I am wrong but he seems to not be missing badly. Getting squeezed some but hes there (obviously some bad balls).. I don't think the 3 walks are indicative of his command today. His curve has been good and no one has hit it hard at all and i even like the change.. The fastball is the issue still Hitters can sit fastball and destroy it. If that's the case, his breakers don't matter really. Cease is one guy where you have to look at hitters reaction to his stuff rather than the radar gun. Hint: hitters are all over his shit. Edited March 25, 2021 by Jack Parkman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Maybe I am wrong but he seems to not be missing badly. Getting squeezed some but hes there (obviously some bad balls).. I don't think the 3 walks are indicative of his command today. His curve has been good and no one has hit it hard at all and i even like the change.. The fastball is the issue still Yep the last walk was the only non-competitive one I’ve seen. He’s missing his fastball location consistently, but it’s not as drastically wild as last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: Yep the last walk was the only non-competitive one I’ve seen. He’s missing his fastball location consistently, but it’s not as drastically wild as last year. I'm not sure it really matters because his fastball is so hittable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Leury looks chunkier Edited March 25, 2021 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I can't believe what a total disaster Cease is. Why didn't they make that trade with Pittsburgh...useless management...total idiots. Spring Stats IP H R BB SO Cease 9.2 7 1 6 7 Musgrove 13 15 10 5 11 Soxtalk gonna Soxtalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, michelangelosmonkey said: I can't believe what a total disaster Cease is. Why didn't they make that trade with Pittsburgh...useless management...total idiots. Spring Stats IP H R BB SO Cease 9.2 7 1 6 7 Musgrove 13 15 10 5 11 Soxtalk gonna Soxtalk Also having people argue the entire off-season that Leury & Mendick was enough position player depth sure was fun! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) More walks..... Edited March 25, 2021 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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