With Added Capacity Coming, Should We Expect an Increase in Payroll?

[YourWhatHurts]

So now with Eloy out I am thinking about Blackmon, not some scrubby bench type that is at best an equal to, and probably a downgrade from, Adam Engel, who shouldn't be out all that long.  But of course he is making some money, and while a team like the Rockies (or some other team for some other player) might be convinced to eat a little in a trade to improve return, they're not going to eat the amount that the dorf will want to see (because he's a cheap prick).

So what, if anything, is reasonable?

It seems like the COVID vaccines are probably going better than what the league probably planned for.  I think there should be at least something available beyond where we are at now.

[YourWhatHurts]

I think we should have about $40M in payroll room or so, but I'm hoping we have at least about $8M or so.

[Balta1701]

Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. Something like 30 states have increasing case numbers right now despite decreasing numbers of tests. Michigan, a pretty close neighbor to Illinois, has a big outbreak of B.1.1.7 and cases shot up 30% last week. Illinois Cases' increased by 14% last week.

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/USA-TRENDS/dgkvlgkrkpb/

 

[Eminor3rd]

No.

[bmags]

Yes

[raBBit]

2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. Something like 30 states have increasing case numbers right now despite decreasing numbers of tests. Michigan, a pretty close neighbor to Illinois, has a big outbreak of B.1.1.7 and cases shot up 30% last week. Illinois Cases' increased by 14% last week.

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/USA-TRENDS/dgkvlgkrkpb/

 

The correlation you're implying (opening up leads to more COVID) isn't backed by any data.

Cases don't matter as much as hospitalizations and deaths do. They're still declining. Michigan has some of the most strict COVID edicts in the country. Minnesota is strict too. They are leading the country with increases. Florida and Texas are allowing the people to make their own decisions for their well being (novel concept), cases, hospitalizations and deaths are all trending down. And their economies are in the best shape of any in the union. 

I am not expecting the data running contrary to your opinion to change said opinion, but those are the facts from the link you provided. 

Edited March 25, 2021 by raBBit

[raBBit]

You wonder where all the money not spent from 2017-2019 when the Sox were trying to suck went. Plus, the Sox have not increased their payroll commensurately with the league-wide increases. JR will likely point to the 2020 COVID losses for years to come.

[ShoeLessRob]

Jerry don’t give a fuck.

[South Side Hit Men]

1 minute ago, raBBit said:

You wonder where all the money not spent from 2017-2019 when the Sox were trying to suck went. Plus, the Sox have not increased their payroll commensurately with the league-wide increases. JR will likely point to the 2020 COVID losses for years to come.

Even more egregious is the $61M in stupid money spent during tanking years.

• Kelvin Herrera $18M
• Yonder Alonso $16M
• Wellington Castillo $15M
• Todd Frazier $12M

The Royals outspent the Sox this off-season, before the Salvador Perez signing. 

[caulfield12]

35 minutes ago, raBBit said:

The correlation you're implying (opening up leads to more COVID) isn't backed by any data.

Cases don't matter as much as hospitalizations and deaths do. They're still declining. Michigan has some of the most strict COVID edicts in the country. Minnesota is strict too. They are leading the country with increases. Florida and Texas are allowing the people to make their own decisions for their well being (novel concept), cases, hospitalizations and deaths are all trending down. And their economies are in the best shape of any in the union. 

I am not expecting the data running contrary to your opinion to change said opinion, but those are the facts from the link you provided. 

Edicts?   Well, you might want to schedule a vacation to Brazil since they have things so well under control with a similar approach to what you are advocating.  Same with Miami.  

Texas and Florida are essentially free riders in the current system, but the bills will come due soon enough. 

Edited March 25, 2021 by caulfield12

[Dick Allen]

City is allowing 22% now, up from 20%. 

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

City is allowing 22% now, up from 20%. 

Don't let anyone sit in the LF bleachers or down the 3B line so Vaughn can hear Moncada/Anderson/Robert calling for the ball more clearly...of course, might not work so well in Texas, right?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

4 hours ago, raBBit said:

The correlation you're implying (opening up leads to more COVID) isn't backed by any data.

Cases don't matter as much as hospitalizations and deaths do. They're still declining. Michigan has some of the most strict COVID edicts in the country. Minnesota is strict too. They are leading the country with increases. Florida and Texas are allowing the people to make their own decisions for their well being (novel concept), cases, hospitalizations and deaths are all trending down. And their economies are in the best shape of any in the union. 

I am not expecting the data running contrary to your opinion to change said opinion, but those are the facts from the link you provided. 

Imagine advocating for the Florida way for leadership. 

Large gatherings doesn't equal more cases. Got it. Thanks for your data.

Outdoor events are likely fine, but insinuating that opening indoor venues for mass gathering wouldn't be problematic is hilarious. Now I'm sure mods will delete this post and leave your covid truther nonsense posts you've made multiple times now. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[southsideirish71]

 

No, he is not reallocating profits.  

[South Side Hit Men]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Imagine advocating for the Florida way for leadership. 

Large gatherings doesn't equal more cases. Got it. Thanks for your data.

Death rate by state.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Cases by state

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

[wsd]

Who cares if cases have gone up? Almost 70% of seniors 65 and older have been vaccinated in IL. Almost 60% of COVID deaths have come from 65+ and they represent about 11-12% of the entire population. Who cares if a bunch of 20 years olds are getting it? It isn't a big deal for kids that age. We are turning this virus into "just the flu" and doing it swiftly with the vaccinations. Just gotta keep getting as many shots in arms as possible 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Death rate by state.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Cases by state

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

Since when have we been able to trust ANY of the data from Florida?

 

https://climate.law.columbia.edu/content/covid-19-data-misrepresented-florida-governor

Mr. Piccolo has also sought to downplay the COVID-19 pandemic in other ways. On one occasion, he erroneously tweeted: “we had one COVID death in Florida yesterday . . yes you read that right. One.” In fact, on the day in question, there were 47 deaths.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and other independent public health experts suggest that Florida’s total death toll from the pandemic is actually understated. Experts noted that Governor DeSantis’ administration has used a COVID-19 infection rate that gives “more weight to negative test” results, and thus skews the results. Governor DeSantis has used the skewed rate to justify reopening schools and businesses. In response to criticism, Mr. Piccolo denied that Governor was attempting to question the official death toll, stating “[n]o one in the administration is trying to cast doubt on the number of COVID deaths, we are trying to get to the facts.”

[raBBit]

5 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Even more egregious is the $61M in stupid money spent during tanking years.

• Kelvin Herrera $18M
• Yonder Alonso $16M
• Wellington Castillo $15M
• Todd Frazier $12M

The Royals outspent the Sox this off-season, before the Salvador Perez signing. 

Yeah and the Sox never acquired any veterans for the purpose of flipping at the deadline with any success. Could have brought in more assets if they targeted more marketable veterans. 

 

5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Edicts?   Well, you might want to schedule a vacation to Brazil since they have things so well under control with a similar approach to what you are advocating.  Same with Miami.  

Texas and Florida are essentially free riders in the current system, but the bills will come due soon enough. 

Edicts - an official order or proclamation issued by a person of authority. ex. - COVID curfews, capacity limits, etc. 

You realize the rate of which people are being vaccinated right? Why will the bills be come due soon if the most vulnerable are vaccinated and most others are in the process of being vaccinated? Do we just live in fear forever even if there's a vaccinated public and herd immunity?

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Imagine advocating for the Florida way for leadership. 

Large gatherings doesn't equal more cases. Got it. Thanks for your data.

Outdoor events are likely fine, but insinuating that opening indoor venues for mass gathering wouldn't be problematic is hilarious. Now I'm sure mods will delete this post and leave your covid truther nonsense posts you've made multiple times now. 

I didn't say anything about Florida's leadership. I spoke about the data. You don't like the implications of what the data shows.

I never said anything about indoor venues. You find it hilarious that I insinuated about indoor venues -  reread my post from the lens of someone without your imagination. I responded to the data provided by a mod who brought up the subject. Everything I said was supported by the data that mod provided. You're sure a mod will delete your post because you're bit is the name calling and trying to take down others and you do this all the time. Give it a rest.

[joejoesox]

10 hours ago, YourWhatHurts said:

So now with Eloy out I am thinking about Blackmon, not some scrubby bench type that is at best an equal to, and probably a downgrade from, Adam Engel, who shouldn't be out all that long.  But of course he is making some money, and while a team like the Rockies (or some other team for some other player) might be convinced to eat a little in a trade to improve return, they're not going to eat the amount that the dorf will want to see (because he's a cheap prick).

So what, if anything, is reasonable?

It seems like the COVID vaccines are probably going better than what the league probably planned for.  I think there should be at least something available beyond where we are at now.

 

[South Side Hit Men]

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Since when have we been able to trust ANY of the data from Florida?

 

https://climate.law.columbia.edu/content/covid-19-data-misrepresented-florida-governor

Mr. Piccolo has also sought to downplay the COVID-19 pandemic in other ways. On one occasion, he erroneously tweeted: “we had one COVID death in Florida yesterday . . yes you read that right. One.” In fact, on the day in question, there were 47 deaths.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and other independent public health experts suggest that Florida’s total death toll from the pandemic is actually understated. Experts noted that Governor DeSantis’ administration has used a COVID-19 infection rate that gives “more weight to negative test” results, and thus skews the results. Governor DeSantis has used the skewed rate to justify reopening schools and businesses. In response to criticism, Mr. Piccolo denied that Governor was attempting to question the official death toll, stating “[n]o one in the administration is trying to cast doubt on the number of COVID deaths, we are trying to get to the facts.”

Data spewed from politicians are a majority of the time bullshit, be it Cuomo or DeSantis. Same thing with data from MLB Owners saying they "lost" billions last year. Always watch the money and how it flows, and look at data anomalies.

There are differences between state reporting COVID methodology. One way to eliminate reporting is just count the increase in total death by state, 2020 vs. 2019, which cannot be manipulated.

Total Florida Deaths increased from 206,975 to 246,448 (Take total through 3/20/21 and back out through WE 1/9/21), or 19.1%.

Total Illinois Deaths increased from 108.937 to 130,426, or 19.7%

Total California Deaths increased from 270,780 to 327,650, or 21.0%.

Total New Jersey Deaths increased from 74,675 to 95,551, or 28.0%

Apparently it takes over 15 months for New York State to count the number of 2019 deaths. 

These states which "did the right thing" have a higher increase in deaths in 2020, despite the fact that both average age / mortality and obesity (except Illinois, which is 4.4% more obese, though much younger) would favor these states in terms of COVID death rate based on the fact that most COVID death involved people either 65 and or obese.

Looking at the CDC data, it is clear the United States across all 50 states did not attribute COVID deaths correctly. The average death rate between diagnosis and total deaths across the entire country is 12.9%, with states varying from 10%-15%.  It's clear based on the substantially larger mortality rate that these numbers are undereported, that is why it is best to use year over year total deaths to get a better picture as to a more accurate death toll.

Edited March 26, 2021 by South Side Hit Men

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Data spewed from politicians are a majority of the time bullshit, be it Cuomo or DeSantis. Same thing with data from MLB Owners saying they "lost" billions last year. Always watch the money and how it flows, and look at data anomalies.

There are differences between state reporting COVID methodology. One way to eliminate reporting is just count the increase in total death by state, 2020 vs. 2019, which cannot be manipulated.

Total Florida Deaths increased from 206,975 to 246,448 (Take total through 3/20/21 and back out through WE 1/9/21), or 19.1%.

Total Illinois Deaths increased from 108.937 to 130,426, or 19.7%

Total California Deaths increased from 270,780 to 327,650, or 21.0%.

Total New Jersey Deaths increased from 74,675 to 95,551, or 28.0%

Apparently it takes over 15 months for New York State to count the number of 2019 deaths. 

These states which "did the right thing" have a higher increase in deaths in 2020, despite the fact that both average age / mortality and obesity (except Illinois, which is 4.4% more obese, though much younger) would favor these states in terms of COVID death rate based on the fact that most COVID death involved people either 65 and or obese.

Looking at the CDC data, it is clear the United States across all 50 states did not attribute COVID deaths correctly. The average death rate between diagnosis and total deaths across the entire country is 12.9%, with states varying from 10%-15%.  It's clear based on the substantially larger mortality rate that these numbers are undereported, that is why it is best to use year over year total deaths to get a better picture as to a more accurate death toll.

How do you explain Washington State doing so well? They had a cluster of the first cases.   NYC/NJ naturally had the most due to JFK, LaGuardia and Newark.... international travel from Italy especially. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by caulfield12

[soxfan18]

5 hours ago, wsd said:

Who cares if cases have gone up? Almost 70% of seniors 65 and older have been vaccinated in IL. Almost 60% of COVID deaths have come from 65+ and they represent about 11-12% of the entire population. Who cares if a bunch of 20 years olds are getting it? It isn't a big deal for kids that age. We are turning this virus into "just the flu" and doing it swiftly with the vaccinations. Just gotta keep getting as many shots in arms as possible 

Way more to this thing than death.

My fiance is a very fit & healthy 28 year old. She had it October, and every month since has had a day or two where she can't breathe. 

This will never be "just the flu." There could be lifelong effects to those who get it, some we may not know about for decades. 

[35thstreetswarm]

12 hours ago, raBBit said:

The correlation you're implying (opening up leads to more COVID) isn't backed by any data.

Cases don't matter as much as hospitalizations and deaths do. They're still declining. Michigan has some of the most strict COVID edicts in the country. Minnesota is strict too. They are leading the country with increases. Florida and Texas are allowing the people to make their own decisions for their well being (novel concept), cases, hospitalizations and deaths are all trending down. And their economies are in the best shape of any in the union. 

I am not expecting the data running contrary to your opinion to change said opinion, but those are the facts from the link you provided. 

Oh lord.  Can we steer this back to baseball please? 

[bmags]

another great thread.