The TLR Manager Thread

[southsider2k5]

For the stans recordbooks, there was nothing Tony could have done to change today.

[hankchifan]

33 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

For the stans recordbooks, there was nothing Tony could have done to change today.

Disagree.  He could have call for hit  and runs or steal attempts instead of hitting into 4 double plays,when we got runners earlier on Cole.

Edited May 22, 2021 by hankchifan
Typo

[harkness99]

57 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

For the stans recordbooks, there was nothing Tony could have done to change today.

yeah today was not on him.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

For the stans recordbooks, there was nothing Tony could have done to change today.

Except not started the whole national controversy in the first place.

1-3 since.

Edited May 22, 2021 by caulfield12

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, hankchifan said:

Disagree.  He could have call for hit  and runs or steal attempts instead of hitting into 4 double plays,when we got runners earlier on Cole.

Without hitting homers today, you aren't stringing enough hits together against Cole to beat the Yankees offense.

[ron883]

1 hour ago, harkness99 said:

yeah today was not on him.

Yes it was. Tony destroyed the whole mojo of this team. He needs to come out and denounce his previous comments about Yermin, denounce Donald Trump, and denounce sheriff Joe Arpaio, or this season is as good as done. 

[caulfield12]

24 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Yes it was. Tony destroyed the whole mojo of this team. He needs to come out and denounce his previous comments about Yermin, denounce Donald Trump, and denounce sheriff Joe Arpaio, or this season is as good as done. 

What in the holy hell is going on with this site these days?

[greg775]

I get madder and madder when I read takes on Tony. Everybody knows he threw Mercedes under the bus and supported the Twins. I read in one piece the line, "It's almost as if he wants Mercedes to fail."

This article is pretty spot on regarding Tony's mess that he caused, not Yermin. Unless Tony apologizes to his team for not standing up for individual player he should resign or be suspended a month.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/six-problems-with-how-tony-la-russa-handled-the-yermin-mercedes-situation/

Edited May 23, 2021 by greg775

[harkness99]

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

What in the holy hell is going on with this site these days?

thats just ron ron trying to make funnies

 

[tray]

10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Except not started the whole national controversy in the first place.

1-3 since.

He didn't start anything. Yermin did and those who dislike/hate LaRussa  have prolonged it ad nauseum.  Plenty of ageism mixed in with outrageous accusations that Tony is suffering from Dementia. Nice.

Jason Benetti continues to rub salt into the wound and continues his off handed and often unjustified criticisms of LaRussa. He may want to check to see how that kind of schtick worked out for Harry Carey after  Reinsdorf purchased the White Sox.  Maybe Benetti should bring his opinion about LaRussa as Manger into the open instead of playing games with it.

 Unwritten rules  may be different elsewhere around the league but for the White Sox, Tony has made it clear that players have to obey take signs and directions from their Manager. Tony sets the rules for the players as long as he is Manager and has the support of the Owner.  He does. End of discussion.  Mercedes will obey signs and directions and if he shows up late for another game, there will be additional fines or punishment.

I know Ronnie Kittle as I am sure some of you do.  As a rookie in '83, he would never have even considered disobeying a sign and showboating. Ask him if you want to verify that.  And ask Fisk or Hawk while you are at it. I bet they would agree with Ron.  Oh well maybe way back in '83, that was old school - follow directions from your Manager, show up for games on time. keep the gold necklaces inside your jersey, and maintain some degree of humility , especially as a rookie.  Pro athlete should set an example for young kids who play the game. Sportsmanship isn't a rule,  but it has been a thing for a few thousand years.

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by tray

[South Side Hit Men]

13 minutes ago, tray said:

1. Jason Benetti continues to rub salt into the wound and continues his off handed and often unjustified criticisms of LaRussa. He may want to check to see how that kind of schtick worked out for Harry Carey after  Reinsdorf purchased the White Sox.  Maybe Benetti should bring his opinion about LaRussa as Manegr into the open instead of playing games with it.

2. Pro athlete should set an example for young people and that was not one of them.  You think little league kids should emulate that kind of garbage?

3. Sportsmanship isn't a rule,  but it has been a thing since the original Olympic games were held. Tony didn't make that up.

1. How did it work out for Harry? Well after he rejected Jerry Reinsdorf’s offer to announce for his pathetic pay per view scheme which collapsed as an utter failure, Harry made more money, increased his audience by turning a former 50/50 Sox/Cubs town into a 70/30 Cubs/Sox town, and became a national icon. Jerry Reinsdorf, a pariah and architect of a completely dysfunctional mess in two organizations.

2. There are no reports of Yermin carrying a criminal record. You know who is a recidivist criminal, someone no parent should want their child emulating? Your guy Tony.

3. Tony also did not make up steroids, but like the Olympic Games, both have benefited from a steady dose of steroids for decades.“Sportsmanship”

[Blackout Friday]

3 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

1. How did it work out for Harry? Well after he rejected Jerry Reinsdorf’s offer to announce for his pathetic pay per view scheme which collapsed as an utter failure, Harry made more money, increased his audience by turning a former 50/50 Sox/Cubs town into a 70/30 Cubs/Sox town, and became a national icon. Jerry Reinsdorf, a pariah and architect of a completely dysfunctional mess in two organizations.

2. There are no reports of Yermin carrying a criminal record. You know who is a recidivist criminal, someone no parent should want their child emulating? Your guy Tony .

3. Tony also did not make up steroids, but like the Olympic Games, both have benefited from a steady dose of steroids for decades.“Sportsmanship”

Taking steroids and cheating is fine as long as you don’t swing 3-0. Young players juicing to be the next McGwire is fine, as long as they don’t wear gold chains. How is this buffoon still posting here? 

[caulfield12]

2 minutes ago, Blackout Friday said:

Taking steroids and cheating is fine as long as you don’t swing 3-0. Young players juicing to be the next McGwire is fine, as long as they don’t wear gold chains. How is this buffoon still posting here? 

And Canseco.

 

Old school managers like LaRussa, Showalter, Scioscia, etc., are a dying breed in baseball especially.

You can get away with that Belichick or Saban stuff in football, as long as you win.

Basketball, the same transformation is happening.   Players don’t want the coach from the movie Hoosiers (Norman Dale) or Bobby Knight.  They want someone who is fun to play for, understands the modern athlete and lets them be themselves.

In that sense, Renteria was more than adequate.

The Carlton Fisks and Madison Bumgarners are disappearing...replaced by another generation with more forward thinking, incorporating analytics, fitness/nutrition and sports psychologist.

Just like teachers can’t use the same lessons on the projector from the 1980’s with today’s kids that are much more visual and have lesser attention spans...if you can’t compromise and meet them halfway, to be willing to change and adapt your style or approach, you’re dead.  Players will tune you out...and old school punishments rather than incentives/rewards will be met with increasing resistance across the clubhouse until you lose the team entirely. 

[Blackout Friday]

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

And Canseco.

 

Old school managers like LaRussa, Showalter, Scioscia, etc., are a dying breed in baseball especially.

You can get away with that Belichick or Saban stuff in football, as long as you win.

Basketball, the same transformation is happening.   Players don’t want the coach from the movie Hoosiers (Norman Dale) or Bobby Knight.  They want someone who is fun to play for, understands the modern athlete and lets them be themselves.

In that sense, Renteria was more than adequate.

The Carlton Fisks and Madison Bumgarners are disappearing...replaced by another generation with more forward thinking, incorporating analytics, fitness/nutrition and sports psychologist.

Just like teachers can’t use the same lessons on the projector from the 1980’s with today’s kids that are much more visual and have lesser attention spans...if you can’t compromise and meet them halfway, to be willing to change and adapt your style or approach, you’re dead.  Players will tune you out...and old school punishments rather than incentives/rewards will be met with increasing resistance across the clubhouse until you lose the team entirely. 

Yep, agreed. Smart people adapt to their surroundings. Expecting the world to adapt to you doesn’t usually work out too well. 

[Chicago White Sox]

51 minutes ago, Blackout Friday said:

Taking steroids and cheating is fine as long as you don’t swing 3-0. Young players juicing to be the next McGwire is fine, as long as they don’t wear gold chains. How is this buffoon still posting here? 

He has a history of making off-colored comments about things that typically apply to players of color, like gold chains and tilted hats.  No place for any fun or character in a white man’s game!

[NWINFan]

37 minutes ago, Blackout Friday said:

Yep, agreed. Smart people adapt to their surroundings. Expecting the world to adapt to you doesn’t usually work out too well. 

This was the concern when LaRussa was hired. He had been away as a manager for a decade and probably out-of-touch with the modern day player. In a way, the world had passed him by and he let it pass him by.

All of this has never been about his baseball knowledge or experience. Too often the White Sox hired people who were new to the job. It was about the type of person LaRussa is. We will see if he adapts as the season progresses. It would help some if he did. The Yermin thing was plainly mishandled.

[southsider2k5]

4 hours ago, tray said:

He didn't start anything. Yermin did and those who dislike/hate LaRussa  have prolonged it ad nauseum.  Plenty of ageism mixed in with outrageous accusations that Tony is suffering from Dementia. Nice.

Jason Benetti continues to rub salt into the wound and continues his off handed and often unjustified criticisms of LaRussa. He may want to check to see how that kind of schtick worked out for Harry Carey after  Reinsdorf purchased the White Sox.  Maybe Benetti should bring his opinion about LaRussa as Manger into the open instead of playing games with it.

 Unwritten rules  may be different elsewhere around the league but for the White Sox, Tony has made it clear that players have to obey take signs and directions from their Manager. Tony sets the rules for the players as long as he is Manager and has the support of the Owner.  He does. End of discussion.  Mercedes will obey signs and directions and if he shows up late for another game, there will be additional fines or punishment.

I know Ronnie Kittle as I am sure some of you do.  As a rookie in '83, he would never have even considered disobeying a sign and showboating. Ask him if you want to verify that.  And ask Fisk or Hawk while you are at it. I bet they would agree with Ron.  Oh well maybe way back in '83, that was old school - follow directions from your Manager, show up for games on time. keep the gold necklaces inside your jersey, and maintain some degree of humility , especially as a rookie.  Pro athlete should set an example for young kids who play the game. Sportsmanship isn't a rule,  but it has been a thing for a few thousand years.

 

1st bold: Tony might not have "started it it" as you so pointed out like a 3 year old, but he was the gas can to the flame. If he let's this go publicly,  no one ever talks about it again.  But he had to make an example of him, multiple times in public, so here we are.  Tony as a manager of over 5000 games absolutely knows what happens when you talk to the press. In fact one could easily argue he wanted this to happen. 

2nd bold, great hint at wanting to see violence done at someone with cerebral palsy. Apparently ageism is bad, but handicapped guys getting theirs for having an opinion contra to the great TLR is cool.

3rd bold. Every player you mentioned was old and white. Did you even notice that?

4th bold. What do gold chains have to do with sportsmanship and respect for unwritten rules?  What do they have to do about anything in the game?  Why is this so important to you? Of all of the recent instances of actual bad sportsmanship that we have seen recently why is this and gold chains the two this seems to bother you the most, and why does it seem to be broader Latin player tropes which keep creeping into your posts instead of actual material matters?  Why is it such a poor example to kids to wear gold chains?

[Blackout Friday]

9 minutes ago, NWINFan said:

This was the concern when LaRussa was hired. He had been away as a manager for a decade and probably out-of-touch with the modern day player. In a way, the world had passed him by and he let it pass him by.

All of this has never been about his baseball knowledge or experience. Too often the White Sox hired people who were new to the job. It was about the type of person LaRussa is. We will see if he adapts as the season progresses. It would help some if he did. The Yermin thing was plainly mishandled.

Yeah, it’s a character flaw that apparent. You can age and still adapt to the times. I was hoping for senior citizen Bruce Bochy because I respect his knowledge and experience, but also his ability to keep up with the world around him. 

[caulfield12]

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

1st bold: Tony might not have "started it it" as you so pointed out like a 3 year old, but he was the gas can to the flame. If he let's this go publicly,  no one ever talks about it again.  But he had to make an example of him, multiple times in public, so here we are.  Tony as a manager of over 5000 games absolutely knows what happens when you talk to the press. In fact one could easily argue he wanted this to happen. 

2nd bold, great hint at wanting to see violence done at someone with cerebral palsy. Apparently ageism is bad, but handicapped guys getting theirs for having an opinion contra to the great TLR is cool.

3rd bold. Every player you mentioned was old and white. Did you even notice that?

4th bold. What do gold chains have to do with sportsmanship and respect for unwritten rules?  What do they have to do about anything in the game?  Why is this so important to you? Of all of the recent instances of actual bad sportsmanship that we have seen recently why is this and gold chains the two this seems to bother you the most, and why does it seem to be broader Latin player tropes which keep creeping into your posts instead of actual material matters?  Why is it such a poor example to kids to wear gold chains?

Guess we’re not signing Post Malone or Bieber...

https://www.whowhatwear.com/mens-jewelry/slide18

 

Personally, I always thought those pooka shell or bead necklaces that tons of mostly white pitchers wore in the 1990’s and early 00’s are/were just as annoying.  Were they pitchers or Hawaiian/SoCal/Florida surfers?

If mostly black rappers (wearing tons of gold chains) hadn’t adopted the Sox hat as their favorite over the last thirty years, almost nobody would even know about the White Sox nationally other than their hardcore regional fanbase. Obama as well.

 

If everyone played as well as Yermin and Moncada with gold chains, we should make them part of the official team uniform if it would help Vaughn or Madrigal add another 100-150 ops points.  It couldn’t make either of them much slower, right?

Edited May 23, 2021 by caulfield12

[harkness99]

6 hours ago, tray said:

He didn't start anything. Yermin did and those who dislike/hate LaRussa  have prolonged it ad nauseum.  Plenty of ageism mixed in with outrageous accusations that Tony is suffering from Dementia. Nice.

Jason Benetti continues to rub salt into the wound and continues his off handed and often unjustified criticisms of LaRussa. He may want to check to see how that kind of schtick worked out for Harry Carey after  Reinsdorf purchased the White Sox.  Maybe Benetti should bring his opinion about LaRussa as Manger into the open instead of playing games with it.

 Unwritten rules  may be different elsewhere around the league but for the White Sox, Tony has made it clear that players have to obey take signs and directions from their Manager. Tony sets the rules for the players as long as he is Manager and has the support of the Owner.  He does. End of discussion.  Mercedes will obey signs and directions and if he shows up late for another game, there will be additional fines or punishment.

I know Ronnie Kittle as I am sure some of you do.  As a rookie in '83, he would never have even considered disobeying a sign and showboating. Ask him if you want to verify that.  And ask Fisk or Hawk while you are at it. I bet they would agree with Ron.  Oh well maybe way back in '83, that was old school - follow directions from your Manager, show up for games on time. keep the gold necklaces inside your jersey, and maintain some degree of humility , especially as a rookie.  Pro athlete should set an example for young kids who play the game. Sportsmanship isn't a rule,  but it has been a thing for a few thousand years.

 

lol you are out of touch - if you think issues in sportsmanship today are about anything you posted - just stay in your house.

Reality would devastate you.

Edited May 23, 2021 by harkness99

[Blackout Friday]

23 minutes ago, harkness99 said:

lol you are out of touch - if you think issues in sportsmanship today are about anything you posted - just say in your house.

Reality would devastate you.

Including a picture says all you need about where his head is at. Doesn’t matter that he persevered long after most guys would have given up and is now excelling at the highest level - a truly great story. All that matters is he looks like the bad man from his television programs. 

[caulfield12]

32 minutes ago, Blackout Friday said:

Including a picture says all you need about where his head is at. Doesn’t matter that he persevered long after most guys would have given up and is now excelling at the highest level - a truly great story. All that matters is he looks like the bad man from his television programs. 

Or the tattoos and doo rag...

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by caulfield12

[joejoesox]

I'm starting to wonder if Jerry isn't in fact "loyal" and instead chooses managers who will take lineup/playing time manipulation instructions from the front office

[harkness99]

All the right moves yet again today.

[southsider2k5]

1-4 since TLR backed his bus over Mercedes a few times.