Greg Hibbard Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I heard DJ make that reference to Moncada and stolen bases the other day during a radio broadcast, and he seemed to indicate it was an intentional choice. Does Moncada not want to steal bases anymore at all? Does a player get to make that call on their own? Seems strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black jack Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 He seems to have injury prone legs. Why tempt fate? Am I the only one who thinks stealing second is too risky unless the baserunner is elite? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: I heard DJ make that reference to Moncada and stolen bases the other day during a radio broadcast, and he seemed to indicate it was an intentional choice. Does Moncada not want to steal bases anymore at all? Does a player get to make that call on their own? Seems strange. Probably to avoid hamstring injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 He seems to be doing fine without stealing bases. I'd rather him not steal while staying healthy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan18 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 TLR the other day referenced guys not stealing, not worth the injury risks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeKreevich Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Guess the message didn't get to Wes Helms. Adam Engel stole three bases last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, MikeKreevich said: Guess the message didn't get to Wes Helms. Adam Engel stole three bases last night. Hey, when you call yourself "manofsteal" online, you're sort of committed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Batting 3RD, and right in front of Abreu, significantly diminishes the value of stealing second. Too often, that would result in opposing pitchers electing to pitch around Abreu, with first base open. Moreover, given Jose's tendency to swing at pitches out of the zone, it would make it easier for pitchers to risk putting him on, while hoping that Jose gets himself out. Odd as it may sound, it might actually be better for Moncada to be at first, rather than in scoring position, at second. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackowiakYakYak Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 44 minutes ago, Lillian said: Batting 3RD, and right in front of Abreu, significantly diminishes the value of stealing second. Too often, that would result in opposing pitchers electing to pitch around Abreu, with first base open. Moreover, given Jose's tendency to swing at pitches out of the zone, it would make it easier for pitchers to risk putting him on, while hoping that Jose gets himself out. Odd as it may sound, it might actually be better for Moncada to be at first, rather than in scoring position, at second. Weird to think it’s better to have a runner on first than second but I agree even more when you include the possibility of getting thrown out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Are we watching this guy ball out this season? Don’t change anything YoYo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) Chicks dig the long ball. Tony and Mark brought the storage locker of roids to Saint Louis. Edited June 5, 2021 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 They will also put the lock on Robert's base stealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) Station to station Edited June 5, 2021 by Soxfest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 The art of the stolen base has greatly diminished cause of analytics. I do miss the 30+ stolen base star I saw in the minors but Moncada is still very good without being the threat to steal like he once was. The only people who lose in that instance are the gamer nerds who played MLB the show that can't run with Moncada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 It should be situational. Madrigal up and 2 outs, worth the risk to try and steal 2nd. Moncada up and less than 2 outs, absolutely not worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 9 hours ago, SoxAce said: The art of the stolen base has greatly diminished cause of analytics. I do miss the 30+ stolen base star I saw in the minors but Moncada is still very good without being the threat to steal like he once was. The only people who lose in that instance are the gamer nerds who played MLB the show that can't run with Moncada. No more stealing. Period. Analytics killed the stolen base. Home runs sell tickets. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 52 minutes ago, greg775 said: No more stealing. Period. Analytics killed the stolen base. Home runs sell tickets. Period. The trend in the minors though is back towards more steals...the new Moneyball niche, playing like 2014-15 Royals on offense, manufacturing runs unless you have big bopper sluggers on your roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 19 hours ago, caulfield12 said: The trend in the minors though is back towards more steals...the new Moneyball niche, playing like 2014-15 Royals on offense, manufacturing runs unless you have big bopper sluggers on your roster. You forgot to state why though. It's because the pitcher can only throw to 1st base a couple of times to speed up the game and it has sped it up on the bases. Once you reach the limit then runners can take huge leads and get huge jumps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 10 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: You forgot to state why though. It's because the pitcher can only throw to 1st base a couple of times to speed up the game and it has sped it up on the bases. Once you reach the limit then runners can take huge leads and get huge jumps. That rule is so stupid and poorly conceived that it will almost certainly have to be repealed. It is going to lead to havoc on the base paths. Even slower runners will be able to steal bases, once the pitcher is no longer permitted to throw to 1ST base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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