Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

For the record, the Sox never had a deal with the Rangers, but it was 100% reported Lynn would sit out 2020 if traded somewhere he didn't want to go. So everyone clowning on Jack calling him a liar and clueless person making up an entire story are partly wrong and Jack was partly wrong.

[bmags]

15 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

The White Sox don't get the extra draft picks or international space that the Brewers get. 

That isn’t true for the Rays?

[Chick Mercedes]

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Holy crap.  The just took a five year span of burning this to the ground, getting amazing returns, even in hindsight, for the players they originally had on the roster, and turning this into a playoff team last year, and a first place team this year.   We have six of our own 1st round draft picks on this roster. 

You can nitpick all you want at some of the moves along the way, but you can't say they don't have vision.  You might not like their vision, but they also have some fairly solid results to back up what they have done so far.

That vision has been more a Rays type vision though. So…they need to graduate to building the minors the more traditional way. Somthing not seen yet

Edited June 29, 2021 by Chick Mercedes

[Jack Parkman]

Just now, raBBit said:

Where in that article does it say the Sox had a deal for Lynn?

 

It doesn't....I thought I saw that, but I guess I misinterpreted a different article talking about the offseason deal. 

[Jack Parkman]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

For the record, the Sox never had a deal with the Rangers, but it was 100% reported Lynn would sit out 2020 if traded somewhere he didn't want to go. So everyone clowning on Jack calling him a liar and clueless person making up an entire story are partly wrong and Jack was partly wrong.

This is fair. 

[bmags]

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

That "Oh woe is us we have 5 outfielders on the IL" is an excuse we should never hear again. Not with the injury history of the guys they signed and how they chose to use them before their injuries.

Hahaha omg

[bmags]

3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

For the record, the Sox never had a deal with the Rangers, but it was 100% reported Lynn would sit out 2020 if traded somewhere he didn't want to go. So everyone clowning on Jack calling him a liar and clueless person making up an entire story are partly wrong and Jack was partly wrong.

When your point is that the white Sox would have traded the future for a first place team if not for Lynn opting out when there is no proof the Sox had made a deal for Lynn the no it’s just all wrong.

[raBBit]

7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Ken Rosenthal is reporting, however, that there was also another factor at play — namely, that Lynn had told the Rangers he would opt out of the remainder of the 2020 season “if he was sent to a team he did not wish to join.” That gave Lynn a de facto no-trade clause, since a team wouldn’t trade for Lynn unless they had assurances he would not exercise his right to opt out of the 2020 season due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

That is not a de facto trade clause. All it did was give other teams hesitancy to acquire him. Lynn could have very easily 

Andrew Cashner did the same thing. Baltimore called his bluff. He was traded. He reported. 

Lynn said it best just prior the last year's deadline: “You have zero control over it unless you have a no-trade clause,” Lynn said

4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

 

Thanks Ray Ray. 

I was half wrong.......There was no deal because there was never going to be one. 

You said the Sox had a deal with Texas but Lynn nixed it. That did not happen. 

[KrankinSox]

We need some smoke on a rumor or an actual trade to go down. We're falling apart, as usual when these things drag on, lol.

[raBBit]

7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

For the record, the Sox never had a deal with the Rangers, but it was 100% reported Lynn would sit out 2020 if traded somewhere he didn't want to go. So everyone clowning on Jack calling him a liar and clueless person making up an entire story are partly wrong and Jack was partly wrong.

His whole post was the Sox had a deal with the Rangers. He was wrong.

Lynn's threats are just that, threats. He said it himself. He had no control over the situation in general. The specific situation Jack Parkman spoke to never occurred. 

Please quote the people calling Jack a liar or clueless. Whether he made up a story or not is arguable, but the story he told never actually happened. 

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

When your point is that the white Sox would have traded the future for a first place team if not for Lynn opting out when there is no proof the Sox had made a deal for Lynn the no it’s just all wrong.

More succinctly put.

[raBBit]

That whole Rosenthal article is likely put out from Texas sources. Trying to create a narrative that they couldn't get an optimal return for their asset because of things that were out of their hands. It's a product of them failing to make good on their assets over the last few years. They had asks of the Sox in August and the deal that was ultimately agreed on was far lesser. 

[Y2Jimmy0]

16 minutes ago, bmags said:

That isn’t true for the Rays?

No it is. I thought you meant that Sox fans should want to model the Brewers. My bad. 

[Bob Sacamano]

Imagine being someone who hasn't signed on to the site yet today. With all this activity in the thread, you would think a deal was on the verge of happening lol

[bmags]

1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

No it is. I thought you meant that Sox fans should want to model the Brewers. My bad. 

Well I do think Jerry should use his sway in CBA negotiations to either get the Sox a second team balance pick or kill the comp balance picks. Use his powers for good.

I think the Brewers are a better small market team to look to because they have used modest free agent money more effectively. Sox got way better at that this year, Eaton the exception.

[bmags]

1 minute ago, manbearpuig said:

Imagine being someone who hasn't signed on to the site yet today. With all this activity in the thread, you would think a deal was on the verge of happening lol

Escobar is hitchhiking across the desert to get to chicago

[ron883]

11 minutes ago, KrankinSox said:

We need some smoke on a rumor or an actual trade to go down. We're falling apart, as usual when these things drag on, lol.

 

TWWang bomb

[Chick Mercedes]

1 minute ago, ron883 said:

 

TWWang bomb

Last I checked the kid was bombing. Not in a good way. Deal.

[ron883]

Just now, Chick Mercedes said:

Last I checked the kid was bombing. Not in a good way. Deal.

I'm not giving up on him. Put up super impressive stats in DSL at 17 years old. Great eye at the plate. Let's see how he does in AZL. 

[raBBit]

35 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

That "Oh woe is us we have 5 outfielders on the IL" is an excuse we should never hear again. Not with the injury history of the guys they signed and how they chose to use them before their injuries.

You say they had 5 starters on the IL. Yet, they only have 4.

Chirinos tore his UCL last year so they knew that they were getting nothing from him all year. He may as well not exist in 2021 and doesn't factor into the in season argument debate.

Fleming is totally procedural and a product of the schedule/rest and not an actual concern. This is him skipping a start against a divisional foe in a period of multiple off days after a season he only threw ~50 innings.

Archer is coming off of multiple surgeries. He has been hurt since August of 2019 away from 1 start / 2 games earlier this year. I am sure last year you were defending the Sox because Rodon wasn't able to contribute.

Glasnow is a product of side effects of cheating. They have been missing him for a few weeks. Hardly 75%+ of the season like Eloy/Robert. 

So the Rays have lost Glasnow (probably 3 starts) and a guy who has appeared in 2 games since mid-August 2019.

Sox have lost their best hitter and a reigning Silver Slugger, their best defender who was on a 6 WAR pace, their starting second baseman who was coming into his own and has a lifetime .315 batting average, their 8M right fielder who was one of their better players prior to the injuries, their fourth outfielder who is premium defender and seemingly finding his power stroke, their outfield replacement for the aforementioned injuries and their most effective reliever who may be the best pitcher in the organization. On top of that, Rodon and Lynn have both missed multiple starts, Grandal played April hobbled after basically no spring training, two relievers that would have made the roster haven't pitched all year, etc. 

The Sox have had far more injuries than the Rays whether you have been paying attention enough to understand it or not. 

Edited June 29, 2021 by raBBit

[Harry Chappas]

38 minutes ago, manbearpuig said:

I believe it was released in the off-season that Lynn did not want to be traded to any team but a deal was never close due to the Rangers ask. Lynn not wanting to be traded is the not the reason the deal did not happen.

I believe you are correct.  

[Chick Mercedes]

6 minutes ago, ron883 said:

I'm not giving up on him. Put up super impressive stats in DSL at 17 years old. Great eye at the plate. Let's see how he does in AZL. 

I feel you. What can go wrong? 

[ron883]

Just now, Chick Mercedes said:

I feel you. What can go wrong? 

We can no longer trade 17 year olds since the Tatis Jr trade 👎 it's too scary

Edited June 29, 2021 by ron883

[Bob Sacamano]

11 minutes ago, ron883 said:

 

TWWang bomb

The wang has spoken

[Balta1701]

7 minutes ago, raBBit said:

The Sox have had far more injuries than the Rays whether you have been paying attention enough to understand it or not. 

Player days on the IL this year:

Tampa Bay Rays: 961, 24 players.
Chicago White Sox: 541, 14 players.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/disabled-list/cumulative-team/

You want a really terrifying number? The Rays have had more money on the IL (player days x how much they're paid during that time) than the White Sox. The White Sox's injuries have hit more key guys/cost them more WAR, but still behind the Mets in that accounting...and still not exactly surprising with the guys who have gotten hurt being guys with injury histories.

 

 

[knightni]

You think Cincy would trade Tyler Naquin for prospects?

They have an outfield glut right now and could probably use the pitching help.