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"LaRussa is bad because he doesn't yell at umpires and that makes the umpiring worse against the Sox" is the best "I hate LaRussa and am going to make everything I can his fault" logic I've seen yet.

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1 minute ago, chw42 said:

Well what we've been doing is clearly working. 

Show em respect and they show us none. 

17 games over .500 clearly isnt working.

Were all hot about one bad game here... and then we remember the other bad games and think it's been happening all season.

But were in first place by 6 games.

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1 minute ago, harkness99 said:

yeah i see this bullshit all the time... working the refs in all sports is a real thing.

 

How does one work the refs in baseball?

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Just now, South Sider said:

17 games over .500 clearly isnt working.

Were all hot about one bad game here... and then we remember the other bad games and think it's been happening all season.

But were in first place by 6 games.

Yeah but umpires have cost this team 10 runs and there's numbers to prove it. 

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Just now, Cerbaho-WG said:

lmao @ 2 image.png

At least he's consistently bad.

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Gavin having really nice ABs

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Just now, chitownsportsfan said:

Lol give it a rest this just keeps getting more ludicrous.  The other umps are going to Gove us more calls because TLR yelled at their co-workers prior?  Come on this is peak meathead take.

Again we have gotten the 3rd worst strike zone in baseball this year with Tony hiding in the dugout. 

This is not working. 

Why not try protecting your guys? 

If we had gotten results by hiding you might have a point.

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Just now, almagest said:

"LaRussa is bad because he doesn't yell at umpires and that makes the umpiring worse against the Sox" is the best "I hate LaRussa and am going to make everything I can his fault" logic I've seen yet.

Thank you for putting into words what I am trying to convey. 

I'm not a larussa fan. But my avatar is funny as fuck. But whatevers hes got going on has been working with our team basically decimated by injury.

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Just now, Cerbaho-WG said:

lmao @ 2 image.png

Hinch didn't get thrown out of the game for that call so now Hallion is gonna pick on the Tigers. Terrible manager.

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Just now, chw42 said:

Yeah but umpires have cost this team 10 runs and there's numbers to prove it. 

The umps suck ass and it has nothing to do with TLR not yelling enough.

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Terrible pitch, Abreu does nothing with it.

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3 minutes ago, almagest said:

"LaRussa is bad because he doesn't yell at umpires and that makes the umpiring worse against the Sox" is the best "I hate LaRussa and am going to make everything I can his fault" logic I've seen yet.

It's a high bar to clear.  

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Jose missed a hanging slider and then hits into a double play...

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6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You might be on to something if Collins caught every day, but Grandal,  who is a top notch framer gets the majority of the reps.

https://www.soxmachine.com/2021/07/02/unfavorable-strike-zones-have-been-costly-to-the-white-sox/

Based on umpire scorecards, the Sox are +0.25 runs when Grandal is catching and -10 runs when Collins is catching. This points to Collins being SO bad, that the Sox get docked that many calls when he is catching (as little as he does). It's most definitely a Collins issue. Tony bitching wouldn't change that. 

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12 minutes ago, South Sider said:

What about the tone of this entire season? This game isnt over. It's still very close. I think we all trust that our team is going to give it everything they have no matter what. 

 

I think we learned a lot about the tone of the season when the Sox got swept by the Astros and then looked like shit for a few more games and then bounced back to go 6 games up on Cleveland.

I believe this team has strong mental fortitude, especially with how they bounced back from getting swept by Houston... NYY earlier in the year, just to keep winning. But I also dont know that theres a mental aspect in this game I guess.

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Just now, ron883 said:

https://www.soxmachine.com/2021/07/02/unfavorable-strike-zones-have-been-costly-to-the-white-sox/

Based on umpire scorecards, the Sox are +0.25 runs when Grandal is catching and -10 runs when Collins is catching. This points to Collins being SO bad, that the Sox get docked that many calls when he is catching (as little as he does). It's most definitely a Collins issue. Tony bitching wouldn't change that. 

Yep Collins framing is a huge issue right now

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These calls wouldn't matter if Keuchel wasn't absolutely awful against a mediocre team. 5 runs should be enough.

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Just now, fathom said:

Yep Collins framing is a huge issue right now

How is he this bad? They must have had him work on it right? McCann improved a lot last year after working on it all winter in 2019. 

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5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

How does one work the refs in baseball?

its harder for sure - I see your point but I don't feel like writing 3 paragraphs to explain human behavior and human psychology, avoiding conflict, trying to be fair ect ect.

 

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4 minutes ago, South Sider said:

I think we learned a lot about that when the Sox got swept by the Astros and then looked like shit for a few more games and then bounced back to go 6 games up on Cleveland.

I believe this team has strong mental fortitude, especially with how they bounced back from getting swept by Houston... NYY earlier in the year, just to keep winning. 6 games up on Cleveland. But I also dont know that theres a mental aspect in this game I guess.

This post sucked by the way. LMAO

Edited; need to slow down a bit bud!

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5 minutes ago, almagest said:

"LaRussa is bad because he doesn't yell at umpires and that makes the umpiring worse against the Sox" is the best "I hate LaRussa and am going to make everything I can his fault" logic I've seen yet.

We just watched TLR leave his starter in way too long while having no one ready in the pen.  It's not like those critical of TLR have to try real hard to find game altering mistakes.  

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Jace as a two inning reliever seems odd

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Another Timmy blunder trying to be fancy on the double play 

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