joejoesox Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/8/2021 at 9:24 AM, Lillian said: Just to interject another point about Leury; He now has as many RBI's as Moncada, in fewer at bats. He has actually played very well. Nevertheless, you all know that I believe that the Sox need one impactful, middle of the order LH bat. The RH hitting T. Story is not the answer and would be too expensive. I still think it will be Escobar. Moncada has been a massive disappointment. I'm sure I'll take some flak for saying that but I'm sure I'm not the only Sox fan on these boards who agrees, this was the main piece for Sale remember. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, joesaiditstrue said: Moncada has been a massive disappointment. I'm sure I'll take some flak for saying that but I'm sure I'm not the only Sox fan on these boards who agrees, this was the main piece for Sale remember. There's a guy on another board I post on that claims that the Sox got nothing for Sale. He believes Moncada sucks and Kopech will be a reliever. I will admit, I was really excited about both players entering 2020 and then Kopech opted out and Moncada got Covid. Even this version of Moncada is still a solid player but you do expect more than that when trading Sale. Moncada's current value is tied entirely to his walks so I wonder what his value would be if he wasn't walking so much. Even if Moncada kept doing what he’s doing in 2021, (a ~.400 OBP and SLG) I'm not sure you'd pick up his option year. Kopech still has the potential to start but I do wonder if he's ever getting out of the bullpen at this point. He just doesn't have enough innings. Edited July 13, 2021 by Jack Parkman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Can we keep the Moncada hot takes to one thread? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Can we keep the Moncada hot takes to one thread? I don't think it's a hot take really. It's acknowledging reality. Moncada is a solid regular but not a star or anything. If you combine his 2019 slugging% and HRs with his 2021 walk rate, that's a top 5 player in baseball. I just don't know if we're ever going to see the power from 2019 ever again. Edited July 13, 2021 by Jack Parkman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't think it's a hot take really. It's acknowledging reality. Moncada is a solid regular but not a star or anything. Well he’s been terrible, then superstar, then injured-terrible, and now weak OBP machine GG. Who is the real Moncada? And what makes you assume solid regular is correct? Just curious Edited July 13, 2021 by Jerksticks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: Well he’s been terrible, then superstar, then injured-terrible, and now weak OBP machine GG. Who is the real Moncada? And what makes you assume solid regular is correct? Just curious That is the question, because all of those are accurate from 2018-present. Weak OBP Machine GG Moncada is a solid regular. He's just so damn inconsistent from year to year. I have no idea what to expect from him. I hope you get .550 SLG, 25+ HR Moncada with a .380+ OBP in 2022-24, that would be great. I guess solid regular is the average off all 3....the correct answer is I don't know? Don't get me wrong, I still think Moncada is a good player but if he doesn't get his power back I don't think he's worth his contract during the last 2 years of it. Edited July 13, 2021 by Jack Parkman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Well since asking didn't work, now Moncada hot takes has it's own thread. Please throw Moncada related feces here. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeaseAndExist Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, joesaiditstrue said: Moncada has been a massive disappointment. I'm sure I'll take some flak for saying that but I'm sure I'm not the only Sox fan on these boards who agrees, this was the main piece for Sale remember. lol what a terrible take. I swear some of our fans hate every player on the team. Moncada's WAR among 3B: 2019: 6th 2020: 4th 2021: 6th If that's your definition of "massive disappointment" you're just delusional 6 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Moncada is 3rd in fWAR among all 3rd basemen from 2019 to 2021 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ron883 said: Moncada is 3rd in fWAR among all 3rd basemen from 2019 to 2021 I know, but most of that value over the last 2 years has been defensively rather than offensively. He's been kinda like Heyward with the Braves and Cardinals the last 2 years. BTW fangraphs loves his D but OAA hates his D, so TIFWIW. Edited July 13, 2021 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't think it's a hot take really. It's acknowledging reality. Moncada is a solid regular but not a star or anything. If you combine his 2019 slugging% and HRs with his 2021 walk rate, that's a top 5 player in baseball. I just don't know if we're ever going to see the power from 2019 ever again. Of course You don’t think saying the Sox wouldn’t pick up his option is a hot take. What a waste of our sweet boards server space. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, bmags said: Of course You don’t think saying the Sox wouldn’t pick up his option is a hot take. What a waste of our sweet boards server space. That's only if he's the same guy from this year going forward. If Moncada ever finds his power stroke, it's a no brainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Hot take: No White Sox third baseman will ever again record a song ever approaching the quality of Desastre Personal Here it is again, because it's a bop: 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I know, but most of that value over the last 2 years has been defensively rather than offensively. He's been kinda like Heyward with the Braves and Cardinals the last 2 years. BTW fangraphs loves his D but OAA hates his D, so TIFWIW. I love that he's capable of playing top notch defense. While he doesn't swipe a lot of bags, his elite speed is an awesome asset and contributes to his high WAR. High OBP, speedy and GG defense. I have faith he'll find his HR stroke again at some point. On reason they'd decline his option is some type of massive injury or scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ron883 said: I love that he's capable of playing top notch defense. While he doesn't swipe a lot of bags, his elite speed is an awesome asset and contributes to his high WAR. High OBP, speedy and GG defense. I have faith he'll find his HR stroke again at some point. On reason they'd decline his option is some type of massive injury or scandal. There are plenty of things to like about Moncada's game even this year. The only issue is the power. He fixes that he's a bonafide top 10 player in baseball. I haven't seen him murder a fastball since ST. Edited July 13, 2021 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) The injury riddle White Sox have been too good this year for some of you, that you gotta find holes on this team where there are none, and current holes have been talked about ad nauseam. Moncada will be fine....even though he's played injured a lot this year, he is fine. Edited July 13, 2021 by TheBlackSox8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Quin said: Hot take: No White Sox third baseman will ever again record a song ever approaching the quality of Desastre Personal Here it is again, because it's a bop: "Why can't Yoan be more like Pat Boone. I wish Pat played third base for the White Sox. It would be swell." - SoxTalk anti Yoan Moncada brigade Edited July 13, 2021 by South Side Hit Men 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) Better to argue he's not (yet) the superstar a #1 prospect in the game ranking foreshadowed. We've had just one season of that offensively and one defensively (depending on how one counts 2020), minus the 20/20 or 30/30 as he's also missing the big stolen base numbers that were originally attached. He's not the franchise or Mr. White Sox many hoped for in terms of branding. Edited July 13, 2021 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I may be proved wrong so don't dump on me but I think Moncada and Abreu will improve when Jiminez and Robert are back in the line-up, at the moment the production pressure lies heavily on those 2 and in the past Abreu has chased balls and extended his strike zone when he lacked support around him. Moncada's lack of power this season could still be a legacy of covid as it can have a lingering affect on some people, but the real question is if not Moncada who is a better (realistic) option for 3rd? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 It is amazing the people who think all these players suck so bad still expect the team to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 You'd think from reading some folks' takes on Moncada that he's performing like Conor Gillaspie or Mark Teahen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Bc of injury and covid I'm not willing to commit to what I think moncada will be going forward. As is I'm ok with it with disappointment in his power. Yes, as of now, he's not hitting like we all hoped he would. I personally think he'll find his power stroke as the season goes on and into next get and this thread will be laughed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, Capital G said: Bc of injury and covid I'm not willing to commit to what I think moncada will be going forward. As is I'm ok with it with disappointment in his power. Yes, as of now, he's not hitting like we all hoped he would. I personally think he'll find his power stroke as the season goes on and into next get and this thread will be laughed at. I can take care of that for you right now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) *right now* he is a top three 3rd baseman. His ceiling, though, was numero uno. That doesn't mean he sucks, and it doesn't mean he won't ever maximize the potential. He may not be a franchise player *right now* but he's solid. Edited July 13, 2021 by SpringfieldFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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